While I think there all very good players the three you have mentioned combined scored a grand total of 12 tries between them. I would not put them in a category of really threatening try scoring forwards although I do view O'Loughlin as another pivot if needed (very good one). And to be fair to Tomkins he was injured then getting used to league again. So I have no problem saying that they are more than just workhorses. I wouldn't view them as really threatening near an opposition try line. Wigans back line did score a lot of tries last season. They may be different this season.

Also take your point printer but I would view that as a difficult skill to see the right moment when to sort of tag along a half break or it could be enthuisasm.

"Solid" is not the word I would use to describe Tomkins. Now Hardaker at FB on the other hand!!!

JC has already shown his hand .....

My money's on Stevie Ward (who no doubt will continue to be played in a role considered to be unsuitable by most)

One thing is for sure it will not be the captain - so McGuire is the one most on here like to deflect the blame away from his half back partner.

JJB will also not be immune if his previous habit of giving penalties away raises its head. Hopefully not as he seemed to have improved significantly in that area when he came back from injury last year.

What I saw of him in the NRL last year, he didn't look "first name on the teamsheet" material let's put it that way.

I certainly wouldn't have him in my team ahead of either Locke or Johnson.

I'd say Tomkins would go on better in the halves than Townsend or Tommy L.