McDermott is a chancer, when not inheriting the best group of players, arguably in SL history, he was at London and failing miserably.

The dad bit about it he will be remembered as the best coach to have sat in the Leeds hot seat.

For context that puts him above Murray , Smith, and Bluey, incredible.

i take it that you mean "should we actually win the cc cup yet again next season despite failing to make the play offs" as we have made the play offs this season and have won the cc?
if i am correct in reading your point sal?

then firstly i would be absolutely delighted to win the 2nd best trophy on offer imo in the cc yet again,although i would be very disappointed should we not make the play offs.despite the fact that it will be a much harder task to reach the play offs next season as it will be a top 4 format and one whereby the weekly round points that are accumulated throughout the regular season are also accountable in the final top 4 reckonings that determine the top 4 sides,as opposed to the present top 8 format

with our present aging squad of forwards i would actually take a cc win next season as being a successful season should we not make the top 4,wouldn't you?
but i also wouldn't bet against our club actually taking the weekly rounds far more seriously next season to make the top 4 a priority

Ok, to answer your questions

I'd be very upset.

No, I wouldn't consider it a successful season.

Because Leeds would have been relegated.

Seems a daft question to me.

Why is it a daft question - other posters are suggesting winning one of the two trophies available is sufficient to justify a good season. All I have suggested is perhaps that winning a trophy isn't the only consideration

The records continue to tumble

He's got to go our form for last 6 weeks has been atrocious, no enthusiasm no tactics players just don't seem to care.

The league form since the 13th round hw been relegation. It can hardly be surprising that we lost today and was another abject performance. What must have Hethrington scared stiff is the fact that their recents performances and the standard of rugby played is not an advt to renew your season ticket. Time for Hethington to either sack Mc D or insist he gets an attacking coach because in that aspect of the game he has proved himself devoid of ideas.

I think what will irk GH more than anything is the fact that we wont be part of a money spinning match against an NRL side despite it expanding to 3 games on the back of his lobbying.

What this means now is Mcdermott's days are numbered.

If we'd gone far in the playoffs there would have been credit in the bank for an iffy season next year.

But the ending to the season erodes away at the credit previous success will have given him. Remember we were only halfway through 2012 when GH was asking the question ''has this team run it's course?''. They won the GF, did nothing last season, won the CC this season but have had bottom of the table form in the league for months. They weren't saving themselves for the main event like we thought because there was nothing in the tank tonight and they crashed out against whipping boy rabble. Leeds just weren't good enough to whip the rabble and that's pretty damning.

When leeds crashed out in 2006 (quite a similiar performance to tonight) they hadn't won a trophy in 2 years but they had young key players who just hadn't completly become winners yet. Now the key men are getting old.

Mcdermott will have next season. If leeds don't make the playoffs he'll be moved on, and so will quite a few of the players.

You can't play an attacking brand of rugby when you have the 2 slowest halves in the comp plus a coach who has no idea what attacking rugby is if it came up a slapped him in the face. I am willing to give him another year aslong as we get a number 2 in who knows how to coach said attacking rugby.