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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



Quote: tvoc "Who is Cumings?

If you're referring to Francis Cummins he wasn't dropped for two 1st grade games - it was for one. As I said, IMO it was Tony Smith's quite deliberate message to the players and the fans - no more room for sentimentality. It was a stroke of genius even if it flew over some heads.

Cummins was and I imagine still is a good fella but he'd been allowed to steal a living at Headingley for too long and was emblematic of some of the issues surrounding the club pre Smith.

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So using your own terms what did Smith achieve with Leeds in 2004 after leaving aside their first Championship in 32 years ?

Leeds finished the Regular Rounds in 1st place - nine points clear of the rest (a SL record that still stands) having lost only twice (equaling another SL record) - they finished the Regular Rounds with the best attack and the best defence.

Ignore the 32 year wait all you want (perhaps easier to do when you haven't endured it personally) - there was more to the impact and improvement under Smith than just ending the wait.'"


You're right about what he and the team achieved in 2004, it was great and I'm not saying it wasn't. So their is no need to sweeten it even more with comparisons to the failures of the previous 32 years.....it doesn't need it.

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Quote: G1 "I would have Tony Smith back here in a heartbeat. Without a second's hesitation. He's a Great coach and his record speaks for itself.'"


I agree. The signing of Kirke and his successful integration into the side in 2006 & 7 was a great achievement and one the club has continued to benefit from for the next 7 years! Will you be going to his testimonial match in 2016 Gareth?!!

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Think we would all agree on one thing


We wouldn't take Dean Lance back

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As someone who has followed Leeds RL and rhinos for quite a while !! . For us to achieve the success under Smith, bluey and B Mac is a dream come true for me.
Over the years I along with several of my pals witnessed some low points,the semi final defeat at Central Park against widnes one that springs to mind.
Also the years we spent being walloped by widnes and Wigan , so I tend to remain neutral in the arguments about who is the best rhinos coach.
I have the odd reservation about B Mac, but I think he is a work in progress and as head coach he will or should improve year on year, as he gets more experience .
One thing for certain is over the last few seasons we have seen some wonderful players wear the rhinos jersey .

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I'm not among those agitating for the removal of the current coach. But when he does move on (as coaches do), does anyone else think we could do worse than Darryl Powell?

I wonder how badly those bridges were burned?

Always felt he was given the top job at Headingley a few years too soon.

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Quote: El Diablo "I'm not among those agitating for the removal of the current coach. But when he does move on (as coaches do), does anyone else think we could do worse than Darryl Powell?

I wonder how badly those bridges were burned?

Always felt he was given the top job at Headingley a few years too soon.'"

I rate Darryl Powell very highly,that's why I have tipped cas to have a good season.
I suspect if B Mac had not produced the goods Darryl would be first choice for GH . Especially as I believe they are good pals.

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