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I have no problem with Wigan winning the play-offs; There would be no point having a Play-Off System if only the Top 2 can be called 'Champions' if they win. What does grind on my gears, however, is the huge amount of hypocrisy from certain posters who last year whined for weeks about how finishing 5th meant there was no way we deserved to win the Super League Title, yet those same posters are happy to go on and on about how Wigan are Champions with just 1 place difference? Luckily only the sensible Wigan fans have posted here so far, and it is okay to be happy that you won while recognising fault in the system (I felt the same the last couple of years) - just don't expect your hypocrisy to go unnoticed. If Leeds weren't Champions to you last season, Wigan are not champions now.

Quote: William Eve "Given that winning from 4th is a more difficult assignment for genuine SL contenders than winning from 5th, then perhaps they feel superior?'"


I do find it amusing how you spent all year bleating on about how easy it was to win from 5th compared to 4th, yet now that already weak assumption has been disproven, you change your complaint to how easy it is for 'Genuine SL contenders' - why were St. Helens not Genuine contenders, finishing 5th? By Genuine SL contenders, do you just mean Leeds?

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I agree the system needs an overhaul, but I don't think players pick and choose games to win in order to finish in a certain League position. I know it's difficult for some to comprehend, but it's a lot more difficult than getting to a certain week and saying 'Yeah we're going to let Huddersfield win tonight'. Oh and let's not forget that they also discuss with the other Top 5 coaches to ensure everyone else wins/loses in order to keep their 5th place position. Of course.

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Quote: HBK-aholic "Well done for taking a sentence out of context, as I specifically noted how just last year I was happy Leeds won from 5th, while also noting that the system was not the best. The hypocrisy does not stem from that feeling, but from those (And I never included you in that) who last year complained endlessly how Leeds didn't deserve to be Champions as they didn't finish near the Top of the table, yet this year are saying how Wigan are worthy champions. You're a hypocrite if, last year, you didn't believe Leeds were the Champions, but this year you believe Wigan are.

And yes, I have no problems in calling Wigan the Champions of 2013, just as I had no issue calling Leeds it last year.


I also didn't 'slag Wigan fans off' in the slightest, or, if you think I did, you are incredibly over-sensitive. In fact, I specifically mentioned how the SENSIBLE Wigan fans had joined this debate - if you think calling someone sensible is slagging them off, that's really your problem.'"

Apologies for the crossed lines. Not sure how many fans ARE being hypocritical. You are right it would be hypocrisy if having refused to recognise Leeds success last year, Wiganers were claiming their own in similar circumstances. I haven't seen any posts that are claiming that.

I suppose that in a sense Leeds fans have to recognise Wigan as Champs because not to do so would negate your own success.

My consistent line on this is that the playoffs should reward 1st place just as they used to do. The 8 team format introduces a randomness to the outcome that makes the regular season meaningless.

I think many of us agree with that.

Of course it doesn't diminish in any way my joy at beating Warrington, especially when so many "experts" got it wrong.

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Credit to Bradford Dulls as the first team to win the GF in this way. Remember the dreadful season they had up to the point when they strung a winning streak together to make it to 3rd, then carried the form all the way through to winning the GF? (Can't remember who they beat though...). Peacock was magnificent as their captain. Wonder what became of him...

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Quote: chunkyhugo "Credit to Bradford Dulls as the first team to win the GF in this way. Remember the dreadful season they had up to the point when they strung a winning streak together to make it to 3rd, then carried the form all the way through to winning the GF? (Can't remember who they beat though...). Peacock was magnificent as their captain. Wonder what became of him...'"

He was a great second row. Would be wasted at prop though

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Quote: The Eagle "He was a great second row. Would be wasted at prop though'"


Yeah, I remember people making comments about how second rowers would never make 'bona fide' props

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Quote: The Eagle "He was a great second row. Would be wasted at prop though'"


Wherever he ends up, his future will surely be at centre or stand-off.

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