So despite your claim that Hardaker cannot pass for toffee you have nothing to say about the actual instances in recent games where he's done the very thing you say he cannot do. Why is that?

I've given recent instances all within the past month that's shown he can and does pass (although unclear if he's paid in toffee or not but it's a possibility) so here's your opportunity to back up your soundbite with examples of poor passes or I'd even be interested in the passes you think he should have thrown but didn't. Or are you going to do your usual and expect people to simply accept your opinion without the need to back it up with examples.

BTW although I didn't use it earlier Hardaker also put Ryan Hall over for his only try in the recent past. Is that one in eight games now? I thought this Joel Moon of yours was supposed to be laying tries on a plate for fun for his winger? They've had time now to form an understanding - played every minute of every game this season as a pairing without disruption and under a quality coach how difficult is it to get good early ball in their hands to wreak havoc.

Something we see every week BB when we attack so flat and utilise the "line ball" so often.

Nothing conclusive but wasn't intelligent reading of the situation. But it is just my opinion. You word it "he backs himself to do damage and go on his own" The other way to read that is a bit greedy. I have already said his physical strength is way ahead of his passing abilities so we agree then?

Hardaker is a big asset to the side but Watkins showed some lovely stuff in attack when he was at FB which was very fruitfull. Be interesting to see if he keeps developing his skills.

We don't help ourself. Old cliche but we are our own worst enemy sometimes.

I'd say his amibition with ball in hand combined with his footwork and speed are in front of his passing abilities. No brainer. So we're on the same page there more or less.

He is developing week in week out. We have a class player on our hands and he will develop further no doubt. The individual talents I talk about above he's had more practice at and how he beds in at FB (linking in with his team, decision making, timings) will take longer to fine tune. Wasn't too long ago he was carving his way as an up and coming centre, now he's an established star fullback.

Sounds more like a recent example of a starting hooker's pass.

As you can't find anything easily identifiable (very recent, unknown recipient - all a bit vague) perhaps the way forward is to look out for future examples rather than past ones and drop them in to here for discussion.

Who knows you might even come to realise your critique is unjustified and you may moderate your opinion.

I don't mind Hardaker not passing when he's capable of scoring the type of try he ran in last night but if a pass is on to a player in a better position I would still expect him to give it.



Examples? Oh I forgot you don't do examples - how about comparing Opta 'try assists' instead or would they be mis-leading?