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Quote: Charlie Sheen "Why are some people acting like Leeds meant to lose so many games in the weekly rounds? I'm sure they tried to win every game but weren't good enough on the day. Do some really believe that getting leathered by Wigan at home and losing to an out of form 10 man Hudds team was part of some master plan? I also don't understand how anyone can see we've 'managed our resources well'. How? We flogged the like of JP, and Kylie for most of the season and only used 3 subs in a few games as well as not resting players after the exiles games. In fact the only rest certain players got were forced through injury.

DHM and G have it spot on. The play-offs are great for the sport and should be celebrated not ridiculed. They seperate the good teams from the great teams, and the GF especially showcases everything thats great about our game.'"


It was all part of the plan. McDermott is an evil genius.

You see you only get a set allocation of good form, so Leeds played rubbish on purpose so they could use up their allocation of good form at the end of the season, when the trophies are handed out.

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Agree that the team cannot peak throughout the season and that they got the timong right.

One area of concern I have though is the difficulty we have in scoring tries in the opposition 20 without the need to kick. Evenin the playoffs I think we have struggled with plays and dummy runners in the oppositions 20.

To me this is one area that does not seem to have been addressed at all. Maybe that is deliberate ie not showing plays during the season. Maybe it causes less defence and keeps the team fresher for the end of the season. i don't know but there will be times when the team needs to be able to execute those plays.

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Quote: El Diablo "I think there's an important distinction between not peaking at some points in the season and not trying.

I think anybody who really thinks this Leeds squad turns up for games and doesn't try and/or doesn't care about winning them has been watching a different team to me for the last decade or so.

I may be wrong, but I suspect the difference will be found on the training pitch. It is hard to keep a group of athletes at the absolute peak of their physical and mental sharpness for a full season. Particularly when most of them have played in almost every round of every competition for 3 years and most have played some internationals. That being the case it's not unreasonable to suppose that you might have a training schedule designed to build towards a peak, or peaks, near where the trophies are handed out. I also suspect that players and coaches will have been a little surprised and taken aback by just how far off the pace they became at some parts of the last two seasons. That was probably a slight misjudgement and while I'm sure nobody on the inside panics too much during the weekly rounds, I'm sure they were disappointed and will want to get a bit nearer the mark in those games next year.

This is subtly but crucially different from "coasting" or not trying.

To pick up on the person above who said they didn't see how Leeds had used their resources wisely, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Given that the aim towards which those resources were being managed was to win silverware and get to finals, I'd say it's difficult to argue that the management of resources was far off.'"


Exactly.
There are only 3 finals as it were in the season, the WCC, the Challenge Cup & the Grand Final.
We were in all 3 & won 2, so very nearly a perfect season.
I'm not aware that the qualification for any of these changed during the course of the season therefore all participants knew what they had to do at the start of the season.

PS the most embarrassing thing about this thread is the mis-spelling of "embarrassing" in the title.

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Quote: finglas "Agree that the team cannot peak throughout the season and that they got the timong right.

One area of concern I have though is the difficulty we have in scoring tries in the opposition 20 without the need to kick. Evenin the playoffs I think we have struggled with plays and dummy runners in the oppositions 20.

To me this is one area that does not seem to have been addressed at all. Maybe that is deliberate ie not showing plays during the season. Maybe it causes less defence and keeps the team fresher for the end of the season. i don't know but there will be times when the team needs to be able to execute those plays.'"


We did manage it twice in the GF though. The BJB try featured 2 dummy runners, plus one missed out by the final pass.

The Ablett try was done through angles and timing, with a good blindside play from dummy half.

I do think we look more threatening near the line with McGuire in the team than without, but Webb was probably our most effective playmaker in those positions for a number of years, and I think we need to replace that.

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Ok so saying that the team were coasting or not trying may be harsh but there were definitely times in the season where the difference in form from one week to the next was immense.

The only explanation I can logically conclude was that our playing style, game plans and overall tactics were tampered with sufficiently to cause vast divide between performances.

This was obviously not a bad thing if the ultimate goal is to lift silverware but if you want to see consistent week on week performances then another approach needs to be adopted.

So I guess it’s a trade-off – consistent performances or silverware? TBH I know which one I’d choose and that includes a trip to OT every October.

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Quote: El Diablo "but Webb was probably our most effective playmaker in those positions for a number of years, and I think we need to replace that.'"


He was. Passing forward works as a great stumbling block for defensive lines etc. More people should try it.

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