Will you stop talking Sense

We've now been given two, as near as makes no difference, identicle examples where one flashed up (Leeds - Hull game 6th July 2012) =#0000BFNo Try, Scrum Attack and the other (Leeds V Warrington 25th August 2012) went with =#FF0000No Try, Scrum Defence

One caused no apparent consternation on or off the field while the other caused plenty both on and off the field including a part of this thread.

So which video referee got it right - =#0000BFIan Smith or =#FF0000Phil Bentham

Think it was a Cas game actually. Was discussed as a scenario at refs training. Subsequently decided that attack/defense is determined at the point at which the play can no longer develop legitimately. Hence the Wembley call was correct. Previous calls are not necessarily incorrect...just different. We never criticise!

It's confusing to the people that matter though - the fans. Team names should be used very soon.

I was at the game and thought Briers initially knocked on,managed to watch the game last night and thought it was a knock on. Only after the game when they showed the white and red line it clearly shows it went backwards..... how many titles and wcc have Leeds won by wrong decisions?????? Get over it, there will be plenty more before we all die

Was it the one on the 2nd March 2012? What was the circumstance of the incident in question and what was the on screen message from the video referee - 'scrum attack' or 'scrum defence' - and is your view that the call was correct or incorrect?

Or given your next passage, is your view that the call was correct irrespective of the actual words used on the screen?

As it was a case study I imagine you'll have notes or if not still be able to re-collect some of the detail. I'll have a look anyway, once you've confirmed the game to see if there were any video rulings I didn't understand.

Not sure it will add anything over and above the more recent example I've detailed from the Leeds V Hull game in July which presented an effective doppelganger situation to the one on Saturday that caused the confusion.



Illogical.

Unless there has been a change in the instructions given to video referees between the 6th July 2012 and the 25th August 2012 both Ian Smith and Phil Bentham cannot both be correct when their on-screen restart messages are exact polar opposites.

Blimey, I'll have my secretary pull the minutes!

In both games the DECISION was correct.

We are discussing the re-start terminology used onscreen. Following the Cas game, it was decided to be termed as I have described, hence Bentham was correct. Whilst the other game, did it differently, it wasn't wrong at the time. It would be now.

We don't criticise our MO's.

Please do as it would help to know which incident has caused this confusing change to be made. A referee looking and sounding nonplussed by a colleague's decision while in front of the games biggest domestic TV audience is not the look I imagine the RFL are after at a major showpiece event.




Who is we in this instance?

If both Ian Smith and Phil Bentham were correct there must have been a change in the instructions given to video referees sometime between the 6th July and the 25th August.

When was this change made? Was the change publicised? Did Richard Silverwood's copy get lost in the post?

When the change was made did no-one think, why are we even using scrum attack or scrum defence, why not just use scrum <insert relevant team name> to indicate which team had the head and feed.

I never realised you had to make life this hard when you're a referee.

I don't agree with not criticising. There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. It's what makes improvements.

I personally was under the illusion that the team who scored the try were the attacking team (which was Leeds in this example). In replays where both teams are attacking at some point, it's just confusing. I don't see why they don't just have the team names. It's just as easy, and yet so much clearer to the supporters.

Its probably a software thing

Was stood outside St. Joseph Social Club in Wembley on Saturday and spotted a load of young lads in Nottingham Outlaws shirts - don't suppose you were with them?

Shocking decision. A huge momentum changer as agreed by all the pundits.