Yes, didn't you read in my post where i said ''i want to replace ward and the threequarter line''?

Amazing post. Lovely stuff.

Coaching a team to every available final is conclusive prove that he's not good enough, apparently.

mc dermot imo is a top coach and given time im sure he will improve on the cc performance, if he is given time to buil his own team. ward is a cracking prospect and am sure a la myler will come good under the guidance of mcguire.

i think id start looking to replace burrow as with the money he is im sure there is sum1 better suited for the future. Top flight sport is ruthless and not one for sentiment he has been outstanding in the past and am sure that he gives 100% but if that 100% is no longer good enough....

No, I read the 1st page and couldn't be bothered with any more. I apologize, I have under estimated the scope of your stupidity.

Just because we didn't lose the game in the first half but rather the second doesn't change the fact that we were really outclassed at times. The way the score went happens in RL a lot - outmatched team struggles to compete and stays in the game for a while, but then falls away when the better team turns up the heat.

The threequarters are the least of our worries. The pack almost to a man is average without any linebreaking ability whatsoever (I suspect opposition coaches of half-decent teams barely need to worry about tries being scored up the middle from short range, we simply have no punch at all). We already have too many chiefs even before McGuire comes back, but bizarrely even with so many 'playmakers' look to have absolutely no clue near the line against a committed defence. Our defence was back to its 2010 sieve-like worst for long periods, with no control over the tackle at all.

I doubt a really good coach would make much difference, as the 'surgery' that needs to be done is fairly major IMO - we're 2 or 3 CLASS forwards shy at the moment.

Added to the above, picking a centre on the bench (and a decidedly average bench at that) with the plan to move one of the threequarters is bonkersville. we would also have been far better served with a Clarkson type forward adding mobility at 13 than a prop who simply looked all at sea as to what his role was supposed to be. The responsibility for those sorts of decisions and the lack of structure and rubbish defence belong to the coach.

to be fair some of the blame must go the players barry mac cannot go on the pitch and tackle for them he can give them a game plan and then its down to them to excecute it.

I dont think trying to match our pack was best plan but to spread it about from wing to wing making us work harder and circumventing an arm wrestle up the middle

but heinsight is 20 20 and whats done is done i just hope bary mac is given time as im sure he has learnt a great deal from it. You cannot really criticise him for selecting keinhorst as i dont think that any alternative would have made a differance to the outcome, but a young bright prospect has gained some vital big game experience that will hopefully give him some extra drive, sometimes bigger lessons are learnt in defeat

The players had no idea at all how to defend against wire using dummy runners. our defence was embarrassingly slow at times, with markers particularly slow to get up and cover gaps, and defence being huddled centrally and easily outmanoeuvred by Wire simply passing the ball fast out wide at the same time as being unable to stop Wire making easy yards up the middle.

BTW I can see Watkins made a few questionable decisions, but the damage had already been done by the time the ball was near him - all it needed by that stage was for Wire to execute well, which they did. Blaming him for any of Warrington's tries is ridiculous. Seriously some of their second half tries looked like unopposed training sessions.

We looked a million miles off the pace.

So are you saying Clarkson is above ' average ' and the better bench game changer ? If so, you're surely deluded.

The theory was good. Bailey to start at LF a la Ben Harrison, with Ablett being the interchange forward ( better than Clarkson IMO ) starting at centre. Keinhorst then to slot directly into that position.
The one thing I will not criticise anybody for is being bold and for taking a risk. Well done Brian.

bold or reckless? we were clueless and by far and away outplayed for long parts of the game. we rarely looked like scoring. the team needs an overhaul, especially in the forwards.
sadly i don't believe BM is the man to do it

Don't get me wrong. I am in general agreement with you ( mostly I think ).. My point is that we should not be afraid to ring the changes....ideally with a better coach, but I remain pessimistic there.
Keeping faith in Hardaker at FB over Webb, Ward at SO/LF and introducing Keinhorst is a start.
Now let's get to work on the pack: Singleton, Smith, Hood all should be blooded asap into the first 17. Amor and McShane too should be part of the new look pack next season.
Griffin, Moore and Kirke are surely not part of the new generation now needed and should be thanked, paid off and sent the way of Hauraki. Lunt is ok, but is he any better than McShane/Hood for next season ?

I am assuming there will be no big money signings in all of this of course. ( Pulatea - sp? - would be a nice signing eg )