Where did i say ''scrap the team''? (whatever that means?) Ignoring the dramatic headline, it's obvious the team needs some surgery.

The pack comes off consistently second best against the better teams.

Oh, and:





It's break. You don't need to be a ''frekking genius'' for that.

I was probably more near you with the outside chance of a victory TBH. But still quietly confident and not writing them off after 10 minutes!

I don't want to fall into the trap of blaming management for the loss, but from what I have seen all year there is room for improvement in this department

I for you would be saddened to see McGuire, Burrow or Sinfield play in another teams colours, just as I was when Diskin moved on. I know there is no room for sentiment, but I'm a sentimental kind of guy!

I read something on the Wigan forum saying they could see Sinfield finishing off elsewhere. I really hope that doesn't happen but I see it becoming more and more difficult to accommodate all 3 of them yet clearly they all have something still to offer. When do the contracts run until?

I thought the issue of age would be one of the talking points if we lost because it always seem to be when we lose but can i just point out.......

Brett Hodgson - 34
Lee Briers - 34
Adrain Morley - 35
Gareth Carvell - 31
Michael Monaghan - 32
Trent Waterhouse - 31
Ben Westwood - 31
Micky Higham - 31
Paul Wood - 30

Over half of Warrington's 17 from the final are the wrong side of 30.

"[iStick a fork in this team[/i" I assume is an abbreviation of "Stick a fork in them, they're done", hence why I suggested that you wanted to scrap the team. Not an illogical step to make IMO.

Simply saying "ignore what I typed earlier, I was just be dramatic" doesn’t excuse you either. While I agree there are some changes that need to be made to the current (Championship winning) squad, I seriously don’t believe that wholesale changes need making.

Why do these threads always appear after big game losses, but not a sniff when on a lucky winning run against poor teams.

This teams been done for ages. The bile by the southstander self righteous know nowts never changed that.

Last season I backed this coach as I felt he deserved more backing to give it a go. This season has proved he is well out of his depth, even allowing for fastly ageing players.

The amount of game time some players get is poor. Our backs are still pretty good despite lacking depth and despite having to play our best forward there because of this. Although I have always had massive misgivings about BJB. Quality at times and really poor other times.

Our half backs show massive lack of competition due to the decision to go with a select individuals rather than look for competition and continuous improvement.

Our forwards are simply shocking though. Peacock defied his years yesterday and was the only forward to match up to the wire pack. Kylie can give good hard cameos, but we need more than that. Our two backrowers in JJB and Delaney are garbage and have been all year. Backrow has been a major weakness in this team. Then we put a plodding penalty machine at loose, when he should be prop. No pace and line breaking at all at the back of the scrum.

Forwards and especially backrow needs changing as a priority. JJB especially should not have this guaranteed starting spot irrespective of form. He and any other player should have to earn it each week.

I'm pretty sure we've won 2 Championships since you told us this team was done.

Forgive me if I don't value your opinion on the matter too highly. Law of averages states you'll have your moments to gloat if you spout the same bile over and over again

No we have had one championship, which is reality, so thank you for your incorrect statement.

And I can at least take some credit in that win against the odds, been one of the people prepared to speak truthfully and realistically, that gave the club and players the motivation to to try and prove the likes wrong.

Had everybody posted the same as the self righteous know nothing's, last year would never have happened.

Let me get this right...

You are taking some credit for Leeds winning a Championship because you wrote them off on an internet forum?

Now I've heard it all!

Gotcha for coach!

No, I am taking a small credit amongst the many that critisized and wrote off the team last year.

A point that the club and players went at pains to point out was the motivation for them to turn round their season and prove people wrong.

You have a problem with that? You don't think the players and club were been truthful?