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Quote: ADAMJLEEDS "Maybe Warrington can come back when they finally win a Super league grand final for the first time. (5 times in 12 years) !!!
We are still awaiting their first !'"


Oh dear. It's 5 in 8 as it happens but the sentiment is still the same, you're a terrible loser.

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The only slight issue I had with the old top 5 format was whether finishing third was preferable in reality to finishing lower. Away to the team finishing second in week one (QPO) but with a safety net firmly tucked away in the back pocket for the following week (ESF) if defeated. It appeared to catch out Halifax in '98 and Leeds in '99 to some extent but there again if you lose at home in a sudden death play-off game you deserve to be done for the year.

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[quote="G1":1x8x7ghm]Nice one Andy. You articulated a differing opinion given reasons and substance. There's really no place for the likes of you on Substandard. :wink:[/quote:1x8x7ghm]:7098.jpg



Quote: tvoc "The only slight issue I had with the old top 5 format was whether finishing third was preferable in reality to finishing lower. Away to the team finishing second in week one (QPO) but with a safety net firmly tucked away in the back pocket for the following week (ESF) if defeated. It appeared to catch out Halifax in '98 and Leeds in '99 to some extent but there again if you lose at home in a sudden death play-off game you deserve to be done for the year.'"


I think it is - the chance to play against a team one place above you which if won would earn you the chance to have a bye or a second chance to me is a massive advantage to going into sudden death rugby.

My concern would be the first place team who could potentially only play once in effectively 4 weeks before the Grand Final while other teams built a bit of momentum

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Quote: Andy R "Winning from 5th in the old system would have much harder than we found it last year.'"


1998 - Bradford - Week 1 exit (EPO)

1999 - Castleford - Week 3 exit (FE)

2000 - Castleford - Week 1 exit (EPO)

2001 - Leeds - Week 1 exit (EPO)

Quote: Andy R "I think it is - the chance to play against a team one place above you which if won would earn you the chance to have a bye or a second chance to me is a massive advantage to going into sudden death rugby.'"


Perhaps in theory but did it pass the reality test?

1998 - Halifax - Week 2 exit (ESF)

1999 - Leeds - Week 2 exit (ESF)

2000 - Bradford - Week 3 exit (FE)

2001 - Hull - Week 2 exit (ESF)

Remembering the team finishing the Regular Rounds in 3rd were guaranteed to reach a minimum of week 2 that's not a great record at reaching their top 3 seeding in the Play-Offs.

Quote: Andy R "My concern would be the first place team who could potentially only play once in effectively 4 weeks before the Grand Final while other teams built a bit of momentum'"


That can cut both ways. Rest V being battle hardened. The losing club will usually point out how they were disadvantaged by their journey to the final regardless of route they had followed.

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Wow have just come back from the pub having drank several pints of Sam smiths fine ales and seen all these configurations.
It's all a bit complicated for me, might have to go back to the pub to clear my mind.

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[quote="G1":1x8x7ghm]Nice one Andy. You articulated a differing opinion given reasons and substance. There's really no place for the likes of you on Substandard. :wink:[/quote:1x8x7ghm]:7098.jpg



Quote: tvoc "Perhaps in theory but did it pass the reality test?

1998 - Halifax - Week 2 exit (ESF)

1999 - Leeds - Week 2 exit (ESF)

2000 - Bradford - Week 3 exit (FE)

2001 - Hull - Week 2 exit (ESF)

Remembering the team finishing the Regular Rounds in 3rd were guaranteed to reach a minimum of week 2 that's not a great record at reaching their top 3 seeding in the Play-Offs.
'"


There's some poor teams in there!

I still can't believe we lost than game to Cas either - it probably won Vowles the Man of Steel award as well, which when viewed as a best player award was a travesty.

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