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For me promotion & relegation are key to developing the game.

I think a formula needs to be devised so that a club promoted can have a minimum of 2 years in SL, how to work that formula out is a difficult one though, it could in effect mean that the team finishing 3rd from bottom could end up relegated.

Now that would add to the mix.

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Quote: William Eve "Ask Biff Tannen - I'm sure he will substantiate his claim with officially recognised statistical evidence for his offloads assertion.
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I suppose he could just try watching the video rather than relying on someone else's statistical analysis. That appeared the way to go earlier.

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Quote: William Eve "Try watching the video rather than relying on someone else's match report. Vatuvei ran over Ellis and Smith to ground the ball for his first try. Calderwood switched wings for most of the 2nd half to play alongside Senior on the left. What Smith was doing during Vatuvei's 2nd and 3rd tries is anyone's guess apart from having a perfect close-up view of both and pointing the finger at others defensive errors. Smith was roaming everywhere and nowhere during that game like a headless chicken, as well being out of position for Nightingale's 1st half try. Smith was dropped for the Semi Final a week later in favour of Gardner and Calderwood. I wonder why?'"

Well he certainly wasnt being Paul Sykes, the player to actually play on the right wing after Wellens injury and Calderwoods switch, with Gleeson who had started at stand-off moving to centre. I wonder where Harry Sunderland winning fullback Lee Smith may have moved to? Its quite an impressive level of nonsense you have descended to that you are now blaming Smith for the left wing and the right wing in that game and bemoaning him for 'roaming everywhere and nowhere', im not surprised if he was both the left and right winger when Mark Calderwood and then Paul Sykes played right wing.
Quote: William Eve "Nope, his own motivation was running in the olympics. rlIn his boyhood, Uate dreamt not of playing in the NRL, but running in the Olympics..."I always used to love watching the Olympics, the 200 metres and 400 metres,'' Uate said. But Uate's athletic ability could not go unnoticed. The lure of Olympic medals and the running track almost stole him. With little more than a year's worth of track sprinting experience, the teenager travelled to Homebush and ran 100 metres in 10.9sec at the 2005 NSW Combined High Schools carnival. "When I came here, it was heaps hard to choose between running and league,'' he said. "I used to catch the train straight after school from the Central Coast and travel to Newcastle for SG Ball training every afternoon, then travel back at around 11 o'clock at night. "I did it for two years. I had to make one decision, and that was to play rugby league.rl

I'm pleased we've established that the Fijian Ringer (your words) wasn't a ringer at all but an Australian produced rugby league player whose personal dreams and motivation for moving to Australia - along with schooling - was to be a sprinter in the Olympics and not the NRL.
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No, what we have seen is you display an awful level of comprehension and hope no one noticed. Uate said, outright he moved to Australia because [i"He(his father) wanted me to get better schoolling...and for footy,''[/i. Ill take what Uate says himself over your strange belief that it being a difficult decision to choose Athletics or League and him choosing League meant he never liked league and wanted to be sprinter.
Quote: William Eve "And the English players you claim are better have failed to back it up on the international stage.'"
No, they havent. As I said, its pretty naive to think that Australia being a better side mean they are better man for man in every position.
Quote: William Eve "You must have missed his quick scoots from dummy half in wide open space which were instrumental in Leeds Grand Final victory last year.'"
I remember him ducking under a tackle from NRL ubermenschen Tony Puletua in the 33rd minute having received the ball as first reciever, and setting up a Ryan Hall try running sideways until Scott Moore defending as 3rd man out from the ptb, shot out of the line, missed his tackle, Burrow then turned on the speed before throwing an outrageous dummy which third on the NZ Warriors all time try scoring list, NZ international and NRL ubermenschen Francis Meli is still looking for, and offloading to Hall for the score. It was a wonderful piece of skill off a fairly slow ptb. Maybe you confused Burrow with someone else?

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Dont take too much notice of William....he is a fog knitter of the highest calibre!

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Quote: William Eve "Lee Smith won it and it was Lee Smith who opposed 4-try Vatuvei that fateful day in Newcastle. I ought to know as I was there.
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I presume you mean directly opposed as in tasked with marking his opposite wingman?

Vatuvei played on the left wing throughout the 80 mins. He was basically opposed by Calderwood for the opening 38 mins until the injured Wellens was replaced by Sinfield although Calderwood and Wellens briefly switched after the latter's injury in the 34th minute. The Wellens substitution resulted in Sykes moving from right centre to right wing to oppose Vatuvei (for the next 22 minutes), Calderwood moving from right wing to left wing with Smith moving from left wing to full-back.

That formation remained until the 60th minute when coach Smith finally shifted the hopeless Sykes from the right wing to full back, Smith moving from full-back back on to the left wing, with Calderwood moving back across to face Vatuvei again over on the right wing. Sykes then fumbled his first touch in the full-back position and coach Smith replaced him with Wellens returning.

I don't recall Lee Smith being tasked with opposing Manu Vatuvei directly at any point over the full 80 minutes that both played, although I'm obviously at a severe disadvantage sat watching the game from the opposite side of the globe.

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Don't let facts get in the way of a ridiculous argument. Where will it end??

In terms of opinions, I'll go with the numerous judges who rate Ellis one of the best forwards in the NRL, and Gus Gould (who generally bags anything and everything British) who reckons that Graham has been a major factor behind the Dogs' run. As someone else said, its ridiculous to suggest that because GB/Wngland have been hammered with Graham, Morley, Ellis in the side that they haven't been great players. I'd quite happily swap any and all forwards in return for the halfbacks and outside backs Australia have had at their disposal.

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