What a game by the rhinos well deserved the win even if we did get lucky but thaler had a howler of a game giving god knows how many wrong decisions to both sides through out the game. here is my take on those decisions, first up leeds,

Zak Hardaker's 1st try, while i do agree it looked like a forward pass from 1 or 2 angles others show it as a flat pass, 2 reasons for this first burrows hands were not positioned in a forward motion, the second peacock actually reached back behind him for the ball. TRY GIVEN, my opinion correct decision.

Zak Hardaker's 2nd try, clearly a knock on from mcguire, why thaler did not use the video ref is beyond me. TRY GIVEN, my opinion wrong decision.

Ryan Hall's disallowed try, for me this was a try, refs and video refs are been very inconsistent, Hall has every right to put that ball down even though the ball carrying arm touches the floor, the reason for this, he was still moving forward.(if your tackled the moment the ball carrying arm touches the floor and then pulled into touch, should that be a penalty and if it is not a penalty then it cant be a double movement) a similar incident happened in the wolves vs giants game where 2 players were tackling a player who's ball carrying arm touches the floor only to roll over and reach for the try line, benefit of doubt was given for the try. TRY DISALLOWED, my opinion wrong decision.

Ryan Bailey's Try, fantastic play by bailey to get this try, but its the events leading up to it i want to discuss, Ryan Hall going over the try line being tackled by 2 wigan defenders and just as he is about to score the try the ball is stolen and knocked on before tomkins picks up the ball from an off-side position, the ref gave a penalty to leeds when in-fact he should have awarded a penalty try. PENALTY TRY NOT GIVEN, my opinion wrong decision but we scored from the resulting penalty anyway.

Wigan's decisions.

Gareth Hock Try, great bit of play by wigan to make the break here and i take nothing away from hock for this try but it simply should not have been awarded, danny mcguire gives chase, 1st the ref gets in his way(mcguire knocked him straight on his backside lol) and then tomkins obstructs mcguire so that he could not get to hock. now even if he didn't obstruct him he probably wouldn't have caught hock but because tomkins did it should have been a penalty to leeds( i think thaler gave it cos he knocked on his by mcguire) TRY GIVEN my opinion wrong decision.

There were a couple of penalty's given to wigan that i thought were wrong decisions like the 1 bang on half time that tomkins kicked he was never pulled back by a leeds player, and when tomkins made a brake and hardaker tackled him he gave a penalty for hardaker been offside and he wasn't he was stood square at the play of the ball, tomkins moved of the mark.

There the incidents which stand out for me in the game, Leeds Rhinos fully deserved the win they were the better team on the day and its probably there best performance i've seen in 2 years, wigan did not play all that well they were slow out of the blocks and leeds punished them for that, and they never really recovered from.

To give you a perfect example..

A player who is tackled but slides and keeps their ball carrying arm off the floor can legally pass to a team-mate (Ben Crooks at Headingley would have been a perfect example had Thaler got it right). The tackle is not complete, he is still moving and the arm has not hit the floor.

Contrast with Willie Manu in the same game. Still moving, held by a defender but lifts the arm and passes. Rightly penalised, he cannot promote the ball once the arm hits the floor with a defender in contact.

Once that has happened, the attacking player cannot reposition the ball. He can still cross the line and ground the ball, but only under his own momentum and without altering the position of the ball relative to him.

its not only.the rfl rules which disagree with that interpretation but the laws of space and time. Your interpretation demands we ignore the link between space (where) and time (when) when judging an event.

It is simply impossible for us to have a situation between the ball carrying arm hitting the floor and his momentum stopping where the player is both tackled and not tackled. He is neither, he is in the process of being tackled and as such, by definition the tackle isn't completed.

There was a try scored by harlequins/broncos where a player whose ball carrying hit the deck and.was sliding towards touch who offloaded the ball, never mind simply grounding it, the try was given with the explanation by stuart humming later, that the tackle isn't complete until the momentum stops

Smokey - if you're going to rely on the laws of the game you could at least bother to do some research.

From the RFL website section on the lawsWhen tackledwhere his slide ends. (See Section 6, 3(c).)

Second movement after tackle: When an attacking player is tackled within easy reach of the goal line he should be penalised if he makes a second movement to place the ball over the line for a try.

If an attacking player in possession is brought down near the goal line and the ball is not grounded it is permissible to place the ball over the line for a try. In this case the tackle has not been completed.

Relying on Stuart "defend the decision at all costs" Cummings to provide an explanation will provide little in the way of clarity.

Quantum mechanics disagrees. Think of it as a Rugby League form of Erwin Schroedinger's cat thought experiment.

In this case, the player is both tackled and not tackled, and will only resolve himself into a single state when observed by the video referee.

Cummings didn't defend video referee Child after the similar incident at New Craven Park involving Danny McGuire. IIRC it was stated on here (I didn't see it personally as I don't subscribe to any of the trade papers) that Cummings said his official had got the decision wrong when awarding a penalty to Hull KR for a double movement.

Perhaps someone should ask Cummings for an opinion/ruling on Saturday's incident also for future reference. Unfortunately that's unlikely to happen as neither team could probably care less about the decision.