Gotcha – have you read my original post? If you’re going to tell me which end I’m talking out of, perhaps you could construct a counter-argument? Frankly I hope the Club ignores all of us – they’ve won 5 Grand Finals in 8 years without any input from the likes of me or you!

Fat Boy – Ablett is a second rower, but Mac isn’t the first coach to play him in the centre. He is, however, the first coach to make him really successful there – after playing last season in both positions, he finally made the England squad, and of course got a debut last week. Centre for Ablett is an alternative position so I wouldn’t say he’s being played out of position. I don’t have a problem with Bailey at loose – it gives us a big pack and a bit more aggression, which we need against the top sides. I think we’ve already discussed Hardaker! But he did well at centre last year and the start of this, and he seems to be doing well at fullback too. I talk about Lunt a bit higher up – he’s new to us and it’s probably worth testing him out a little bit in other positions to see what he can really offer.

Batleyrhino – I think my entire original post is a fair case for the defence of the coach.

BrisbaneRhino – I’d be really disappointed if we thought that Kevin Sinfield’s comment in the YEP was a reflection of their attitude (see my earlier posts on desperation v poor attitude). I suspect that this is an attempt to keep any optimism outside the Club alive. Plus, what else can he say? And it is true – we’re two points off fourth with ten more games to play.

The Eagle – good point well made, and in fact we’ve already beaten Warrington this season.

To be honest its nice to have a positive poster on here. I'm kind of split on the subject though, i think while McDermott needs to be questioned for the performance (opposite to what the OP thinks) i agree with him that the criticism shouldn't go into abuse territory. Healthy and non-too-personal criticism is ok, going onto booing during games, name calling and disrespectful comments i think is unnecessary.

I believe Swiftcorn got a bit of a ban following an argument on the VT with an Aussie about Aussie Rules Football and claiming he knew Australia better than a guy who lives there. Don't know if it applies to here though but his absence is greatly appreciated.

Quote: Gotcha "Come on folks. This is another AP/Keith alias. Don't get sucked in.'" It's not really a case of getting sucked in, as others have commented it's remained a civil discussion. I've always been notoriously poor at identifying the men behind the 'characters' but agree it's likely to be one of the regulars. Either way it's provided an outlet for some frustration. Will it change anyone's view - I doubt it. rhinowinorlose probably still thinks Henry Paul wasn't replaced at the Harlequins and that he was always a leading role model off the field : news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 038590.stm I'm guessing the Quins were just grateful he wasn't the chauffeur driver behind the wheel of that Mercedes S280.

Quote: Gotcha "Come on folks. This is another AP/Keith alias. Don't get sucked in.'" It's not really a case of getting sucked in, as others have commented it's remained a civil discussion. I've always been notoriously poor at identifying the men behind the 'characters' but agree it's likely to be one of the regulars. Either way it's provided an outlet for some frustration. Will it change anyone's view - I doubt it. rhinowinorlose probably still thinks Henry Paul wasn't replaced at the Harlequins and that he was always a leading role model off the field : news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 038590.stm I'm guessing the Quins were just grateful he wasn't the chauffeur driver behind the wheel of that Mercedes S280.

Agreed. It's a discussion forum, this is a discussion. Does seem to wind a few people up though - not sure why.

I think in short they players have to take the criticism for the way they play and they shouldn't be exempt from criticism but equally the manager has to take some blame for the standard of play and tactics used in the game.