Nantwichexile - I could not disagree with you more about the forwards. We were right to loan out Amor and Singleton - Amor had a chance with us and came across as OK at best, so to loan him to Wakefield gives him some game time and helps him develop (hopefully to return). He looks good at Wakefield but someone else has pointed out, and I have to agree, that everyone raises their game aganst Leeds and I would be concerned with him that he can't handle that intensity. Singleton will be immense when he is ready, but let me repeat MYself by emphasising how important it is to phase young players in (please see my several comments above). I agree I would like to see him play a couple of games for us though this half of the season. The future IS important but Singleton and the likes will be better players for learning from Leuluai, Peacock and Moore. Both Leuluai and Peacock have been loyal servants to our Club, still play well and are capable of more, why would we drop them? Richard Moore, as I mention in my original post, has been great for us this year - he often makes three or four tackles in a row, can make a great offload, and attracts good numbers from opposition defence. You haven't really offered any justification for your views that these three need dropping, but I would agree that Kirke has been off the boil for a while now.

So we've had some disappointing performances this season, and you name 3 games where we had 80 minutes of rubbish. What about the World Club Challenge? Salford away? Warrington at home? Catalans at home? We've had some quality performances this year too, so let's have some balance.

I agree we haven't seen the best of Hally, and I'm going to repeat myself AGAIN about Hardaker - he's not been playing his best of late, but this is his first full season!

I completely agree with Hyperbolicrhino - a coach who has led us to 3 finals in a year, winning 2 of them, has earnt a higher level respect than to be name called. I have no problem with humorous comments in general but the comments and names are personal and insulting, nobody gave Tony Smith or Brian McClennan any names like that.

To be honest its nice to have a positive poster on here. I'm kind of split on the subject though, i think while McDermott needs to be questioned for the performance (opposite to what the OP thinks) i agree with him that the criticism shouldn't go into abuse territory. Healthy and non-too-personal criticism is ok, going onto booing during games, name calling and disrespectful comments i think is unnecessary.

I believe Swiftcorn got a bit of a ban following an argument on the VT with an Aussie about Aussie Rules Football and claiming he knew Australia better than a guy who lives there. Don't know if it applies to here though but his absence is greatly appreciated.

Quote: Gotcha "Come on folks. This is another AP/Keith alias. Don't get sucked in.'" It's not really a case of getting sucked in, as others have commented it's remained a civil discussion. I've always been notoriously poor at identifying the men behind the 'characters' but agree it's likely to be one of the regulars. Either way it's provided an outlet for some frustration. Will it change anyone's view - I doubt it. rhinowinorlose probably still thinks Henry Paul wasn't replaced at the Harlequins and that he was always a leading role model off the field : news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 038590.stm I'm guessing the Quins were just grateful he wasn't the chauffeur driver behind the wheel of that Mercedes S280.

Quote: Gotcha "Come on folks. This is another AP/Keith alias. Don't get sucked in.'" It's not really a case of getting sucked in, as others have commented it's remained a civil discussion. I've always been notoriously poor at identifying the men behind the 'characters' but agree it's likely to be one of the regulars. Either way it's provided an outlet for some frustration. Will it change anyone's view - I doubt it. rhinowinorlose probably still thinks Henry Paul wasn't replaced at the Harlequins and that he was always a leading role model off the field : news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 038590.stm I'm guessing the Quins were just grateful he wasn't the chauffeur driver behind the wheel of that Mercedes S280.

Agreed. It's a discussion forum, this is a discussion. Does seem to wind a few people up though - not sure why.

I think in short they players have to take the criticism for the way they play and they shouldn't be exempt from criticism but equally the manager has to take some blame for the standard of play and tactics used in the game.