Schoey says things that rub people up the wrong way and also things that are very true. I read the column and agreed with 95% of it.(the only points I disagreed with were the ones about Ablett and JJB having no presence) But to come on here and deride him as a loser because of his medal tally is juvenile at best.( and I really find G1's posts to be informative and balanced normally). Its like saying Neil Cowie or Ryan Bailey are 5 times the player Kevin Ward was because of their medals!!! Or as Richard has said E.T to Shane Perry. There are 100's of examples of people who are lucky enough to win things and other much better players who havent won anything. And before you say Kevin Ward won an ozzie grand final..so did Harvey Howard...

To be fair this is probably the first time ive seen someone defend GS on here, who knows him well and i'm afraid Richard_delariv has shown a few people on here up with the points he's stated. I bet Boots n all would be better if GS was a regular and would create more talking points, both good and bad. In fact there's quite a few people who have been on Super League Supermen who would be better on Boots n all including Bobbie Goulding and Mal Reilly than bland Paul Cullen and Shaun McRae or Phil Clarke

Rich-He's done it to most of this team for years though that's the point not just after the games like last Friday night?
Look back to 2004 we had a bit of a wobble and he stuck every boot in possible questioning their abillity and bottle ,07 ST's were superior etc etc ,there's countless times when yer left thinking what brought that on??
Then we get this week and because it's seen to be "par for the course" with schoey and Leeds he gets the reactions he has ,again the personal stuff isn't needed but when its happend consistently for years thats where i think the bitterness and jealousy comes from and it's not a personal talent level i think its Leeds as a team.

I have no more or less an agenda than you. You've met him and he created a positive impression. I, and many others, have met him and and he created the opposite impression.

BTW, if you're drawing Garry's attention to my posts for his twitter responses you might want to point out that my comments about Schofield's pre match focus in the 1995 Cup Final were drawn from Alan Tait's autobiography and IIRC Schofield's own autobiography. He was, I understand from those sources, more worried about the SL loyalty contracts the WIgan players were getting (and he wasn't) than the game he was about to play. My opinion of his "efforts" came from watching him. Not that he was alone, but, I don't recall him doinganything at all of note that day.

I was discussing his supposed jealousy of current players.

Bitterness? He's accused of that quite a lot. All I know is every time I'm in the company of him and other legends at charity functions etc, he's as popular as they come and he's the life and soul of the party. It couldn't be more at odds with how he's perceived.

As for his coaching, most great players fail in coaching, and I've met some real bitter ex-pros who can't get a gig of any sorts in the game. GS got over the Huddersfield sacking years ago and has freely admitted he got the job far too soon. As for Barrow, he'd long given up hope of coaching professionally again when that came up for him completely unexpectedly. He doesn't look back on that with any bitterness, just complete bemusement.

I've heard him speak with a bit of bitterness on a couple of issues regarding his playing career before, but never on coaching. He gave it a go and it didn't work out. There's no more to it than that for him.

Btw no disresepct intended here Andrew. Fully respect your opinons and enjoy reading your posts usually. Just less so on this

schoey went missing the the cup final of 1995

Peacock = Feckwitt

do you think it has ever occurred to Schoey when he is slating Carney/Wells/Kear on Sky for not having a clue as they are ex-wingers that Sky employ them because they are coherent and competent broadcasters, and he (with all his extensive knowledge and experience) is not?

So he's given the team grief in the past - So what.... So has every other fan out there. Thankfully the team have come good more often than not over recent history, but that doesnt mean that Schofield is bitter or jealous - he just says what he thinks at the time. The fact the team have gone on to be successful doesnt mean his comments weren't valid at the time. Yes he may have been wrong with some of the opinions he has given, like I said earlier, he's said things I didn't agree with in the past - but it was his opinion, and like every other fan, he is entitled to voice his own opinion.

Sky Sports, and the game in general would be a much better place if more people were as honest about their opinions, rather than the usual rent-a-quotes we get from players and pundits nowadays. When was the last time you saw a player or club coach getting asked awkward questions about team performances? After last weeks display, the Sky team would have been well within their rights to be questioning the attitude of the players and the tactics used in their post game interviews - but no, its all a nice friendly affair, as people are too scared to offend or annoy any of the current coaches/players. At least Schofield has the balls to say what he thinks, whether people like it or not.



G1, questioning his performance in a certain games is fair enough, but surely you can counter that arguement by the number of games over a number of years where Schoey pretty much carried us. For years, Schoey was our only real attacking threat. Imagine how bad we would really have been without Schoey in some of those years.

The personal stuff about his drink driving, affairs, failed businesses etc is below the belt. Everybody makes mistakes, and it's just plain wrong to bad mouth somebody on a public forum for what are quite personal issues. You may not like the man, and disagree with decisions he's made in his life - but all that has no relevance to him annoying people by quite rightly, questioning the current performances of this Leeds team. Infact, there are a number of the current Leeds squad who could quite easily be ripped to shreads for things they have done in their personal lives - but that aint what this forum should be about.

Whilst Schofield can spout some rubbish at time, Peacock does seem like he can't take any criticism. Reverting to personal insults is just childish. Isn't Peacock always moaning RL needs more of a profile? Then when a pundit makes a comment he results to personal insults? Gary Schofields comments are nothing to what footballers get, you have to take the rough with the smooth.

Peacock needs to grow up IMO

I've never read Tait's, but I know there's no love lost there, but is that enough for you to pass this off as fact? Especially if you're not sure if it's in Schofield's.

I don't remember much about the game, other than Garry had a try disallowed. Leeds were completely outplayed, and no one did themselves any credit. While we're talking focus, maybe if another top player hadn't arranged to shag someone in the dressing rooms after the game, he might have had his mind on the game more!

Everytime I see a thread about GS on here, it's just full of the same old crap. Can't run a pub, can't coach, 1995 CC, etc etc. I'm not being protective of him because he can look after himself - I just want a decent debate on this type of pundit, the type that, IMO, rugby league needs more of. No one can get people talking about rugby league more than Garry, and this sport desperately needs more people talking about it.

But, given how he's treated, I can see why most players are eager to keep their mouths firmly shut!

that's not relevant because he doesn't want to work for Sky, although he knows full well he'd never be asked. his opinion is that to work for them you have to tow the party line and he doesn't want a bar of that. He criticises the pundits like we all do, and he's got as much right as anyone to do that.