As a Waky fan i was very upset the day Jay joined Leeds but for some reason it seems he hasn't kicked on from being at a bigger/better/professional club, any thoughts on this or is he injured at the moment ?

You're subtly trying to change the argument. I don't disagree we should try and keep our best players in Super League.

However, you were saying it's rubbish that players go to the NRL to test themselves. It's not Rubbish, it's spot on.

I agree Gotcha we should be doing all we can to keep our best players but whilst the RFL continue to "insist on gimmicks" the intensisty of our comp won't get anywhere near the NRL and now with the imminant SC rise in Oz i can see us struggling to keep all the best players here.

But there's no 'anti-dote' to ambition and free-will.

What will be, will be.

Thought he went ok when selected but has never really had a run of games to prove his worth. The same would go for Ambler but how do you fit em all in when you sign others, mind you have had to change my mind about Griffin and Moore suprisingly looked a handful in pre-season

We are also talking about a player who has won every domestic team honour there is to win, bar the challenge cup, available to win in this country. Why should he not have the ambition to try and win trophies in a different competition?