look no further than Sinfield and chase for Englands poor showing, not a clue the pair of them.

See posts elsewhere on witch hunts.

I think England picked the best available side, and it wasn't good enough. If you think that's down to any one or two individuals you could name then I wish you well but I don't personally think you (and what appears to be a majority of RL fans) have a clue either.

What are you expecting from him G1?

He's not the sort of player that Thaiday is who'll run over people all day for fun. Neither is he a Lauitiiti style basketball player who produces miracle offloads.

What he is, and always has been even at Leeds, is a workhorse with a terrific attitude and a low error rate. IMO he played well for the time he was on the field at Wembley, and didn't look 100% fit on Saturday.

He was however nowhere near being England's worst player or biggest disappointment in this tournament.

Agree. I'd give that honour to his club team mate.

A level of performance that matches up to that he gives at club level. IMO he's not done that in rep football for some time.

I understand his role and I am not saying he was any where near our worst performer, just that I think over the last few series he has been a bit underwhelming. It may well have been injury related but he was behind JJB, Westwood and Wilkin as back rowers. Interestingly, the two poorest back rowers for England, IMO, were the lads who ply their trade in the much vaunted NRL.

I thought Ellis looked short of match fitness on Saturday and we lacked the punch that Australia had in Thaiday and Gallon.

Add Sam Burgess to the pack and it improves a bit but we need a to find a few more big tough hard running forwards soon just to stay as we are as Morley and Peacock are just about done at this level.

I thought Ben Harrison at Warrington looked like he had potential a few years ago, maybe Lee Mossop can step up? There's nobody that stands out much though.

IMO the most impressive English backrower for me has been JJB.

JJB is a machine. Fact.

We do desperately need some big, dynamic ball carriers though, somebody who's going to run over the top of people with reasonable frequency and make holes in the defensive line. JJB and Westwood were both good I thought, but that isn't really their role. As Leeds are discovering in trying to replace Lauititi, game-breaking forwards are not actually all that easy to come by.

Thaiday and Williams in particular were frightening in possession, although the latter is still a little on the raw side. Imagine what he's going to be like if he cuts the errors and penalties out.

Williams could be amazing, he's a real handful. That Aussie pack has a lot more power in it than ours. I was struck with how much they dominated each collision and got a quicker PTB than our forwards. Thurston and Lockyer got far more time on the ball to effect good kicks thanks to them. I wonder how good they'd look behind our pack?

Good to see the clueless bell--end is back to his best

Sam Burgess will help, as stated above. Wasn't Ben Harrison in the squad? I hope Louie McCarthy Scarsbrook can take the next step and there's obviously Bailey on the periphery if he can maintain last year's form.

Isn't Ben Harrison Irish? Still that type of issue hasn't stopped Danny Brough and Rangi Chase "volunteering" for England.

Harrison is a decent player, but isn't at the right level just yet. With Graham, (Sam) Burgess, Bailey and LMS wehave a reasonable 4 to play, but IMO there is little if any depth behind them.

Stick a fork in Peacock and Morley at this level, they're done.