Yes sorry Ferdy - it has been a long day But I really believe that Lee Smith has been given a raw deal from this Coach. If Lee was given a real chance; then he can play either FB, Centre or Wing. Apologies again Ferdy - I will read your posts in more detail mate

Agreed. Though the coaching staff doubtless have greater insight into fitness and attitude. These may be the factors that explain why LS hasn't featured more frequently.

Come on Gareth, is that really fair?

Was Smith not a regular in 2008? was he not 3 years into his first team career rather than one? These need to be taking into account when comparing somebody in a specific role.

2006 was completely wrong year to judge Smith. The team was playing poor, and the coach had lost the momentum that year. History has proven, when it comes to Lee Smith when he is a bit part player he fails to shine, but when a coach has faith in him and gives him a run in a position he ends up staring. Tony Smith alluded to that in 2007, when he reflected on not picking him in 2006 and the transformation in the player come 2007. Just look at 2009, the player was ready to be shipped out, but got his chance and took it big style, with the club then regretting their position and offering him a new deal too late.

If he's a utility back, which is how he has been used and how people are judging him, then he is undoubtedly the best utility back in the competition. If he is a centre, then he is hit and miss and just does a job, which isn't enough when up againts specialist competition. If he is a winger, then he is still better than most other teams 2nd winger. If he is a fullback, then IMO he is the best fullback we have at the club for 2012. Webb is not the pre 2009 player.

I think he is a utility back. I think he's the next best player at almost every position 1-5 now. I suspect he won't be happy but I'd agree that he is one of the best utility backs in the league.

IMO he's the 3rd best full back behind Webb and BJB and tbh I'd rather see Hardaker back there.

PS, using your criteria to Judge Smith he finished 2009 as a very good centre and put in a dominating GF display there. Yet you judge him "hit and miss".

When did he last string together more than two or three outings at FB and just what is it, other than the 2008 Grand Final that has inflated your opinion of him so much?

Exactly, but he's been ineffecitve in that role this year. Therfore "hit and miss", sometimes great (2009 GF example), sometimes poor (2011 example).




When did he last have that opportunity of a run in that role? He did it last year when Webb was out injured, and was a success, this after his return from union. He did it in 2008 when Webb got injured. Interesting that you mention 2006 previously, because until he lost confidence he was looking every bit the star in that role.

He's been unlucky that Leeds have had an extremely good overseas player in that role for the last few years, at a time when Smith was still learning the game (remember he's still only 25). Had he been given that role, IMO he would have been a huge success, and still can/will be.

Like I said, he can not be written off from that role just because he's been hit and miss at centre. They are two completely different roles. And the player that was blocking that path previously in Webb is most certainly not the same player he was.

Didn't we also start 2009 experimenting with Watkins at FB. He looked pretty handy there as well, then he did his knee.