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I think we all agree he should do better, and maybe the positional shift has something to do with that. As a second row, even at his best he'd be behind, JJB, Ablett, Clarkson, Delaney, Lauiti'iti & probably Hauraki. I guess some amount of compromise has been reached by all parties.

we shall just have to agree to disagree on this one I think

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I think people who label Kirke as 'good' in defence have come to a very lazy conclusion.

Compared to his drives his work rate in defence is much higher, wouldn't be hard to do. And true he doesn't miss many tackles. So can be tagged as a safe lump.

But overall if you look at him in the tackle it's a soft-cock affair. The amounts of times I yell 'bang him' when a good hit could be on, but does it occur? rarely. And if it does happen he looks apologetic for being a bit rough. I like prop forwards to make good contact and rattle some bones, get that kick out of owning someone. Kirke goes through the motions. It's a shame because of his gift of size he can make easy work of tackling most in front of him. But he isn't effective or tough in doing so.

Kirke's tackling annoys me more than his failure to cart the ball up.

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Quote: G1 "Here's a crazy thought. Perhaps whilst Kirke is on the field giving Peacock a rest he can actually DO SOMETHING. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Maybe then, he would be more effective and his minutes on the pitch would increase, thus keeping JP even fresher. Might also give Kirke a role other than a tachograph. Might also enhance Kirke's career. Sums up his lack of heart that he sees that as his role and accepts it. You think JP would accept such limitations?

Nor do I get this nonsense that because he makes a few tackles he's excused from taking the ball in. As much as I like the sport, this is not American Football and Rugby League players are required to do both tackling and carries.

Tackle counts are sometimes misleading. If the defence runs at your channel a lot, you'll make a lot of tackles. If they don't, you won't. Hit ups is one stat that is what it is and he doesn't make any.

In the GF he made 1 whilst the game was in the balance, from a kick off so not even by choice.

He's soft, there's no other way of dressing it up. Looks like tarzan, plays like Jane.'"


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Quote: G1 "By the way, I've never been myopic about Kirke's abilities. I've addressed his defensive contribution and his role in spelling Peacock. Let me remind you, though I think you know my feelings and they're posted earlier in the thread. He is not a machine in defence like Clarkson, Buderus, JJB. IMO, he's average in defence in terms of the quantity and the quality of his work.

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Quote: G1 "Might also give Kirke a role other than a tachograph.'"


Brilliant! Cant think of a better description. Chuckled a-plenty at that one

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