not including this year

I hate it when the page flicks over like that.

Two (of the three) unbeaten Play-Off Coaches going head to head.

There can be only one ..... sort of.

Special milestone request...

So Ali made the 200 appearance mark in the GF and I understand this was pretty significant for an overseas player - so can the mighty stat machine TVOC (or someone else) give a list of overseas Leeds RL players by number of appearances (and preferably when they played)

PS also can we have an updated GF stats list

I bet the last over seas player to make 200 apps was Keith McLELLEN and he left 1n 1958,could be wrong no doubt Tvoc will give us the true stats

That's quite a tall order as my own personal records only cover the period 1979-80 to date but I'll have a crack at it by combining those, with the Headingley Story Volume 2 and ask my memory to fill the transition between the two and try and avoid anyone falling through the cracks. In addition there will need to be some research to identify the origins of some unfamiliar names.

Edit: Thinking about it there was an overseas ban in place covering the transitional phase (lifted in 1983-84) so that should help.

Let me start you off by directing you here: The list in order of appearances is as follows: Eric Harris 383 games 1930-1939 Dinny Campbell 258 games 1912-1920 Frank O'Rourke 240 games 1927-1933 Arther Clues 236 games 1947-1954 Keith McLennan 215 games 1952-1957 Jeff Moores 211 games 1927-1933 Bert Cook 201 games 1947-1953 www.therhinos.co.uk/news/17612.php

Let me start you off by directing you here: The list in order of appearances is as follows: Eric Harris 383 games 1930-1939 Dinny Campbell 258 games 1912-1920 Frank O'Rourke 240 games 1927-1933 Arther Clues 236 games 1947-1954 Keith McLennan 215 games 1952-1957 Jeff Moores 211 games 1927-1933 Bert Cook 201 games 1947-1953 www.therhinos.co.uk/news/17612.php

Where were you an hour ago when I needed you?

My list looks uncannily familar to that one except I have (or rather Ken Dalby had) Bert Cook playing 210 times for Leeds rather than the the 201 reported in that article.

On the plus side I now know the origins of some players with more than 200 appearances that were previously only names on a page so it's all good and highlights what a fertile area the Welsh valleys have proved over the years.

Aye!Look no further than Steve Ford, Bob Ackerman and David Young!!!

Rob rather than Bob but point taken although Ackerman was a little tarnished after he arrived via Whitehaven of all places. That has to have an effect. Steve Ford was an unknown (even in Wales) leaving only David Young as a genuine big expectation Welsh flop although his introduction to League was I thought poorly handled by Leeds and he aquitted himself fairly well out of the limelight at Salford.

However to more than balance those three there were the likes of: Evan Williams (415), Joe Thompson (390 - 3rd highest goal kicker in club's history - not a bad signing for £300), Lewis Jones (385 - still Leeds' top points scorer on 2,920), Dai Prosser (via York - 327 and Leeds' coach for their first Championship win in '61), Con Murphy (via Acton & Willsden - 295), Dai Jenkins (via Streathem & Mitcham 292), Willie Davies (278 - a member of the GB Ashes winning side after arguably their most famous Test Match - Rorke's Drift, Sydney 1914), Jim Bacon (276) and Dickie Williams (233)

All Leeds greats and those were just the ones who played more than 200 times for the club. How about including some that didn't: Tony Fisher (121 - if there has been a harder player I don't think I've seen him), Oliver Morris (61 - a casualty of the second World War), Ike Owens (124 - one of Britain's finest loose forwards) and Frank Young (159)

Never forgetting the inspirational and innovative coaching genius that was Roy Francis all the way from Brynmawr.

So overall I think the Leeds club owe a tremendous amount of gratitude to their many Welsh recruits - and I haven't even needed to mention Iestyn.

I'm certain there was also a ban in place from the mid 50s throught the 60s.I think we got round signing Ken Thornett because at the time he was'nt a regestered RL player.I think he came from Randwick ru club.I ive just looked it up and Ken made 131 apps

Updated to reflect the inclusion of the 2011 Final.

SL Grand Final Stats:

Teams

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Most Wins: =#0000BF5 - Leeds =#0000BF4 - St Helens =#0000BF3 - Bradford
Most Defeats: =#0000BF5 - St Helens =#0000BF3 - Bradford, Wigan

Most Consecutive Appearances: =#0000BF6 - St Helens =#0000BF5 - Bradford =#0000BF3 - Leeds
Most Consecutive Wins: =#0000BF3 - Leeds =#0000BF2 - St Helens
Most Consecutive Defeats: =#0000BF5 - St Helens =#0000BF2 - Wigan

Coaches

Most Appearances: =#0000BF5 - Brian Noble =#0000BF3 - Daniel Anderson, Tony Smith
Most Wins: =#0000BF3 - Brian Noble =#0000BF2 - Brian McClennan, Ian Millward, Tony Smith
Most Defeats: =#0000BF2 - Daniel Anderson, Brian Noble, Mick Potter

Most Consecutive Appearances: =#0000BF5 - Brian Noble
Most Consecutive Wins: =#0000BF2 - Brian McClennan
Most Consecutive Defeats: =#0000BF2 - Daniel Anderson, Mick Potter

Players

Most Appearances: =#0000BF9 - Leon Pryce, Jamie Peacock, Paul Wellens =#0000BF8 - Keiron Cunningham
Most Starting Appearances: =#0000BF9 - Jamie Peacock =#0000BF8 - Keiron Cunningham, Paul Wellens =#0000BF7 - Leon Pryce
Most Substitute Appearances: =#0000BF5 - James Roby, Ali Lauitiiti =#0000BF4 - Paul Anderson, Maurie Fa'asavalu, Ian Kirke, Ryan Bailey

Most Wins: =#0000BF7 - Jamie Peacock =#0000BF5 - Ryan Bailey, Rob Burrow, Jamie Jones-Buchanan, Ali Lauitiiti, Danny McGuire, Kevin Sinfield
=#0000BF4 - Keiron Cunningham, Paul Deacon, Matt Diskin, Stuart Fielden, Leon Pryce, Keith Senior, Sean Long, Paul Wellens, Carl Ablett, Ian Kirke, Kylie Leuluai
Most Defeats: =#0000BF5 - Lee Gilmour, Leon Pryce, James Graham, Francis Meli, James Roby, Paul Wellens, Jon Wilkin =#0000BF4 - Keiron Cunningham, Chris Flannery, Matt Gidley, Terry Newton, Paul Clough
Most Tries: =#0000BF4 - Danny McGuire, Lee Smith, Michael Withers =#0000BF3 - Martin Gleeson
Most Goals: =#0000BF23 - Kevin Sinfield =#0000BF12 - Paul Deacon, Sean Long
Most Drop Goals: =#0000BF2 - Rob Burrow =#0000BF1 - Paul Deacon, Iestyn Harris, Sean Long, Henry Paul, Paul Sculthorpe, Kevin Sinfield
Most Points: =#0000BF47 - Kevin Sinfield =#0000BF29 - Sean Long, =#0000BF25 - Paul Deacon