got to go ali for me if you watch the last 2 games kirke comes on and plays about 10mins then you dont see him again why? and can anyone tell me when he last scored or made a try or broke a tackle also for me ali will get the team going when he comes on look at him in the grand final the other year

Spot on that IMO

As others have said it's not about Kirke or Ali it's Hauraki or Ali. Ali is clearly the more dangerous player of the two but Hauraki will put more work in for the side. After Fridays team performance I can't see why anyone would drop the "grafter" for a more explosive player.

Ali would offer so much more than Kirke as an interchange prop and so much more than Hauraki full stop.

I hope he gets his last hurrah but sadly don't think he will.

Ali > Kirke > Hauraki.

I think the phrase is "end of..."

Apart from the opinions of a string of people who are paid to make that decision, and have been pretty successful in doing that.

During their respective careers Kirke has been selected in two finals where Ali has not been selected. I wouldn't call the outcome of those games successful.

yes he did. I noted that.

But he spoilt it by apologising for it.

That about sums him up. Big unit, so we should see hits like this regular. But he doesn't have the mental aggression to see things through.

Look at Baileys hit on Morley (another ball spiller) after that did you see Bailey show concern? Nup, he looked over him and enjoyed the moment. You can see he gets off on it.

That rawness you cannot coach in or out of someone. That is a problem for me.

agree kirke should display more aggression. It appears he's happy fulfilling his cameo rather than improving.

I too would expect a special swansong from ali if he got the nod

I really don't understand why people were critical of that particular tactic. Right from the start, it looked like a smart move to me.

On Kirke, as someone has mentioned, he clearly plays the role that he is asked to. He's been a regular in the team under the last 3 coaches (including the great Tony Smith) and played in all 3 of the GF wins over Saints, arguments that have all been used in favour of Bailey in the past, yet somehow it's different for Kirke?

Most can see what Bailey brings to the table (if limited); most can't see what Kirke does that others could do ( [iat least[/i ) just as easily. His presence is incidental to those victories, as it is to the defeats at Wembley.

Tell me please what Kirke offers over Ali ?

Tell me what Kirke offers over Amor ?

I'm willing to be educated

Fitness and the ability to usually finish a game without limping off springs to mind .