Fair play I see your point, no the one thing he has got is guts and he he was good for them in his first stint but in the last few years he has turned into the type of player that shows hw much strength the super league is lacking.

Thanks for that Tvoc I should have engaged the brain before posting that I watch the under 20s quite alot and have seen all the lads listed play lots of times

To be fair, the list appears to show how little quantity (and arguably quality) has filtered through to the 1st grade side over recent years at Leeds.

point well highlighted tvoc. I think the quality of the first team has to be factored. It's easier to add and evaluate youth into a first team consistently performing well and providing that stable winning environment. First team deficiencies would add more pressure to the youth as well as the coach. Was Clarkson given the nod on form was it first team injuries that gave him his chance?

After you factor that it you're part way to answering the change in ethos/lack of reserve quality question.

....that is what disappoints me most this season in particular. The club seems to be stuck in a time warp of preferring to sign or re-sign ageing has beens.

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