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Click the link and sign your name..................Your club needs you!

On behalf of the fans a petition to Mr H for the removal of the Dynamic Duo.

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Quote: loinertillidie "Bass Headingley anyone? It's nice to see the usual suspects on here mithering on.

Successful business on paper. Secure bank balances. Self funded transfers rather than borrowing. Real plans for the future of the club. No promotion and or relegation. A shortage of quality on the open market. Building slowly for a good future.

And more importantly, showing us just who are the post 2004 bandwagoners who now claim ownership of "Their beloved club".

The opposition fans taunt us and take the mick about how far the "Mighty" have fallen. Sad thing is, if people hadn't be poncing about like Hyacinth Bucket and Lording it like Fauntleroy whilst we were on top then we wouldn't be getting the flack now.

I remember at the end of WIgans era of dominance, when for I think the third time in a row Wigan came to HQ to get beaten, a Wigan fan on the WT was humorously heard to remark, "You're making a bluddy habit of this".

I wish certain posters on here would accept the fall from grace of their "beloved" club with the same degree of stoicism.'"


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However you are speaking of supporters of sporting clubs, a band of people who traditionally cannot accept the fact that in sport you are either in a winning cycle or a losing cycle and when you are in the losing cycle its because its someone else's turn to win.

I often wonder what on earth some people do in their life outside of rugby league to make the subject so important to them, not a lot I suspect, thats understandable if you're 15 years old and nothing has really happened in your life to date but some of these people are adults FFS.

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And last but not least, to all those people who wrote this team off. To all those people who critisized this team...tonight's for you. K. Sinfield, GF 2011:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_45465.jpg



Our great crop of academy players that became the backbone of the successful years were a mixture of good player management AND luck. Even Manchester United haven't managed to replicate the Giggs, Beckham and Neville crop that starred for so long in their team. We were lucky that a great batch of youth players came through in that era and it is unlikely it will happen again any time soon. What we are seeing now with the likes of Watkins and BJB is probably more realistic.

What has disappointed me the most is that we no longer sign players the quality of Peacock and Ellis. When promising players at clubs like Cas and Salford decide to move on its to our (so called big club) rivals across the Pennines.

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Sackcloth and ashes.

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: chunkyhugo "Our great crop of academy players that became the backbone of the successful years were a mixture of good player management AND luck. Even Manchester United haven't managed to replicate the Giggs, Beckham and Neville crop that starred for so long in their team. We were lucky that a great batch of youth players came through in that era and it is unlikely it will happen again any time soon. What we are seeing now with the likes of Watkins and BJB is probably more realistic.'"


And Manchester United didn't have a crop of young players that good since the Busby team that died in Munich.

This, for me, is part of the problem. There is no such thing as a "production line" of talent and no club, not even those who can attract the better youngsters from the better amateur clubs, can keep bringing through "batches" of 5/6/7 quality youngsters as we did in the early 2000s. We'll get the odd one or two come through, as we are doing with the likes of Watkins, BJB, but it will be a long time before local young lads are the 'backbone' of the team in they way that they have been in the past decade.

Quote: chunkyhugo "What has disappointed me the most is that we no longer sign players the quality of Peacock and Ellis. When promising players at clubs like Cas and Salford decide to move on its to our (so called big club) rivals across the Pennines.'"


When your youth system isn't bearing fruit the way it used to, that is when the salary cap starts to hit you.

You can get away with paying kids next to nothing and, if you look at the 17 from the 2004 Grand Final, I bet that you could pick out at least two players who would have been on less (or at best, barely more) than £20k. When those players become older, with a few GF winners rings, World Club championship medals and GB / England caps, you can't keep paying them that. The chances are that the likes of Ian Kirke, Jamie Jones-Buchanan, Luke Burgess, Ali Lauitiiti and a few others probably represent very poor value in the context of the salary cap. In the past, we have had younger players doing a similar or better job for considerably less that we are paying those players today, which frees up cash for bigger name signings. We don't have that spare cash any more and we don't have the players in the junior ranks to replace those that are "tying up" (for want of a better expression) that money.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "And Manchester United didn't have a crop of young players that good since the Busby team that died in Munich.

This, for me, is part of the problem. There is no such thing as a "production line" of talent and no club, not even those who can attract the better youngsters from the better amateur clubs, can keep bringing through "batches" of 5/6/7 quality youngsters as we did in the early 2000s. We'll get the odd one or two come through, as we are doing with the likes of Watkins, BJB, but it will be a long time before local young lads are the 'backbone' of the team in they way that they have been in the past decade.

When your youth system isn't bearing fruit the way it used to, that is when the salary cap starts to hit you.

You can get away with paying kids next to nothing and, if you look at the 17 from the 2004 Grand Final, I bet that you could pick out at least two players who would have been on less (or at best, barely more) than £20k. When those players become older, with a few GF winners rings, World Club championship medals and GB / England caps, you can't keep paying them that. The chances are that the likes of Ian Kirke, Jamie Jones-Buchanan, Luke Burgess, Ali Lauitiiti and a few others probably represent very poor value in the context of the salary cap. In the past, we have had younger players doing a similar or better job for considerably less that we are paying those players today, which frees up cash for bigger name signings. We don't have that spare cash any more and we don't have the players in the junior ranks to replace those that are "tying up" (for want of a better expression) that money.'"


A very good assessment.

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