From speaking to GH less than 3 weeks ago Leeds will be looking at a bill of c£6million for the new South Stand. Theres no way this has not had a direct impact upon our investment in the squad. Keep on former GF winners on a lesser wage and blame the new coach. As good as GH has been for Rhinos hes tight as a ducks !!!

If Hetherington thinks that there will be no ramifications for hanging on to these two numpties then he is mistaken. There will be reduced season ticket sales at least until it is announced that the Numpty Twins have been sacked and then a high class replacement made. Then we have the added damage that these two will do to the team with the increased exposure to inept coaching which will take the new coach longer to repair.
Do the deed now Hethrington for goodness sake.

Conspiracy theorists mate.

Some people find it hard to believe that bad decisions were made at the top level.

Classic conspiracy theory mentality, can’t understand the rational behind a decision, event or occurrence and therefore construct what, in their mind, is a reason for the unexplained/unexplainable.

Ask them about 9/11 being related to oil being sold by the euro or who was stood on that grassy knoll in Dallas on 22nd November 1963?

We must agree to disagree - I honestly think GH knew this year would be bad and hoped to strengthen for 2012. By the start of 2012 McDermott would be under the radar, have his feet under the table and have a year of planning in place. Sadly the economy, McClennan leaving, the RU side, the tax stuff and the inability to get the right players has ruined the plan and McDermott and not McClennan has been exposed as an empty jacket.

GH wanted rid of McClennan after year 2, sadly he had overlooked the one sided contract which gave McClennan the option of a renewal if he wanted it. Year 4 was pay back time for GH - sadly he picked on the wrong person - McClennan had his number big style.

The question must also be asked why are we re-signing over the hill players?

It just doesnt make sense, why employ McDermott this year if the plan was McDermott does the job next year. It simply makes McDermotts job a lot harder.

There is no upside to what you are proposing. If McClennan was to be the fall guy then McDermott should be nowhere near him. Why employ McDermott as number 2 and contaminate him with this years planned failure when he is due to take over in 2012, neither GH nor McDermott gets anything out of it, if McClennan does well then there is more pressure for McDermott to follow next year with none of the goodwill of a successful season, if McClennan does poorly McDermott is tainted with the failure as number 2.

Because to change them all at once would be suicide. Yes some of them may be past their best, but we arent going to create a better team by dumping them all this year and replacing them because there simply isnt the quality available.

How much under the salary cap were we at the beginning of this season and how much will we be spending under the salary cap for next season?


Which coaches did Hetherington turn down on grounds of cost?

Look at the coaches Leeds have had since the GH arrived - Dean Bell, ex player no experience, Murray on a SL contract so the majority was paid for by SL, Lance the same, Powell no experience, Smith limited head coach experience, McClennan never coached day to day, McDermott less said!! He has never employed and paid for a top notch coach with NRL experience - John Lang applied at the time McClennan did but was overlooked - why? Steven Kearney the same?

On the cap we will be 100-200k under the cap, Burgess and Cross must be on 100 between them? next season we could be 500k under the cap given the contract renewals that have taken place.

Erm, Bell was here before GH arrived actually. GH appoinyed him head of youth development a role he fulfilled with some distinction both here and at WIgan.
So your beef if not with Murray's experience, or his wage but that GH managed to get someone else to fund his wage. I see.
See above.

Yes, and despite you never rating him we saw how that worked out.

Surely you're not denegrating a coach you proclaimed as Leeds greatest ever after a month into the job? In case you missed it Mclennan coached a fairly significant team to a fairly significant acheivement before getting the Leeds job.

Were you saying less whyen you were giving him the credit for Smith's success in 2004?

Nope, he's only appointed the coaches that have won the majority of titles in Leeds Rls history. Besides, you're wrong. What was Graham Murray's NRL experience before coming to Leeds?
What is your point? Can you clarify because it's so rambling and incoherent.

You're right. Imagine the success we could have had if he had made the right coaching decisions. Oh.

Murray had coached Illawarra to a GF before he went to Hunter and did the same? your point is?

Powell was so good he is coaching in the NL, Lance is an second assistant somewhere, Murray is not coaching at all McClennan the same - what does that say GH was the only person who truly knew how good they all were or the opposite?

We could have won as many trophies as Saints!! We maybe would not have lost 2 grand finals and 4 CC finals?