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Quote: Seth "It looked like McGuire may Have gone for an intentional kick, though tomkins tackle saw him lose control of the flight of the ball, the ball touch the floor a millisecond before his boot therefore a knock on. A drop kick is simultaneous contact with the floor and the boot, obviously had the cameras not been there it would have been awarded. Had the incident happened the other way and the try awarded to Wigan, the Leeds fans would not have been happy.'"


No, it isn't. A drop kick is where the ball bounces back up for the player to kick it. It is pretty much impossible to simultaneously kick the ball as it bounces.

If a player now goes for a drop goal and misses, is it a knock on? If a player SCORES a drop goal, but the ball bounces and the player doesn't 'simultaneously' kick it, could it be deemed as a knock on? That's what seems to have been decided tonight for McGuire's disallowed try!

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Quote: G1 "He did knock on accidentally.

He intended to kick the ball. It hit the floor before his foot. Hence an accidental knock on.'"


That's a circular argument though - the rules are fairly clear...after an accidental knock on the player can kick it before it hits the floor. So how can the knock on become accidental retrospectively?

Also I refer back to the definition of a knock on [i"means to knock the ball towards the opponents’ dead ball line with hand or arm, while playing at the ball"[/i (from the glossary of the RL Laws)

I'm genuinely curious as to the basis in the Laws for Gansons decision. As far as I understand the wording of the laws the only options available should have been a penalty for a "deliberate" knock on (which would be ludicrous, it's not like McGuire gained any advantage from the ball hitting the floor a fraction of a second before his foot hit it) or play on icon_confused.gif

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Correct call for me. He intended to drop the ball, but I don't believe he intended to let it hit the ground before it hit his foot. I can see both arguments, but I think having referred it to the video ref it had to be no try.

Also, the pass for the last Wigan try looked forward on the replays, but I've seen worse (like ours at home to Saints) and at that speed I have no real complaints about that either. Some are given, some are not. That's life.

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No try, correct decision, let's move on.

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Based on the video evidence I'd have given the McGuire 'try' as the ball didn't clearly hit the floor first, IMO. When it's simultaneous in frame by frame advance that's much too close to rule against the attacking side - where we have 'benefit of doubt' as an option. It looked like Alibert was of the same mind initially before he had it changed for him.

I like having the video referee but sometimes it makes a mockery of the non televised games where such a score would almost certainly have been awarded.

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In other news I'd have initially ruled the Richards involvement in the Hoffman try a 'knock on' right up until the final angle from behind the sticks which showed it was a deliberate knock back and play on.

The pass from Carmont to Richards (for once) I'm in agreement with the Sky commentary team.

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