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Quote: Gotcha "I have seen you repeat this twice now. Where are these posts you talk of? Is anyone downplaying Diskins 10 year role? where?

I think people looking at things a little more with an open mind, rather than blinkered specs, can see that Diskin had reached his end life, and really shouldn't have even had the opportunties he had last season. Why can some not differentiate between that and what he did prior?

I don't see anybody putting down Diskins efforts/performances previous to last season, which at times were superb. Just the fact that it was clear he was finished as a top class hooker. And more to the point realizing that we had a player also in the hooking role who was substantially better than he was.

Interesting that Diskin stated he was leaving because he wanted to regain the England number 9 role. Of course it was laughable at the time and quite clear it was Leeds clearing out, but where is he in the pecking order now? He's further down the ladder now than he was when playing back up at Leeds.'"



What an excellent post. Diskin was a great player for Leeds and has since moved on. Lots of people are now complaining about the contribution of a certain Senior centre currently playing. His previous exploits in a Rhinos shirt have been magnificent to watch, this season leaves a lot to be desired. It seems that people can distinguish between Senior's previous exploits and the most recent few seasons decline but are having problems making the same connection regarding Diskin. Diskin was a great servant and player for Leeds but the time had come to move on. I wish him all the luck in the world and hope he does well. I also think that it is time for Senior to move on/retire, providing with have adequate cover. Which, with all the injuries we keep getting isn't possible for the time-being. So for now I hope he is solid in defence and makes no stupid mistakes and occasionally flashes of previous glories. Will always be one of my favourite players.

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Quote: tvoc "If I were to hazard a wild guess at McShane's rapid progress in the role recently I might be tempted to point a finger in the direction of the new Leeds assistant coach. Radical or what?'"


Had not thought of that, an extremely valid point! I guess McShane & Hood [ishould[/i be in good hands whilst 2 of the best hookers of the modern era are in situ

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Quote: tvoc "It's the one you've missed off the list.'"


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Quote: tvoc "
If I were to hazard a wild guess at McShane's rapid progress in the role recently I might be tempted to point a finger in the direction of the new Leeds assistant coach. Radical or what?'"
Indeed.

None of us can say definitively whether it's down to the player's own individual talent and work rate, the influence of a team mate, the influence of a new coach or the increased opportunities in the first team (opportunities which could have come sooner had the antipodean not been signed).

To say any success McShane or Hood might achieve in the future is Buderus's' "legacy" is quite simply unsustainable fantasy.

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Quote: AJC "The overall benefit to Leeds Rhinos RLFC of signing Danny Buderus.'"

I see. I suspect you are right and we will not agree on that.

So do you now recognise that I have never argued the proposition that "Buderus cannot ever be considered as good as Diskin unless he wins 4 grand finals"

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Quote: Gotcha "The club and players have gone at lengths to mention the amount of work they do with Buderus. '"

Of course they do work with him. They do work with Kirke and Bailey. They all work together. Is Buderus on the coaching staff?

Quote: Gotcha "The club identified Buderus to come in specifically for that role.'"
Is this a fact or your opinion?

Quote: Gotcha "Oh and Hood hasn't been at Leeds a long time, he was initially part of the Bradford academy, but identified by Leeds as a future star and speficifically to work with Buderus. Both players signing in 2008, although of course Buderus arrived for 2009 season.'"
In the context of Hood, a young player who hasn't yet made the first team, being on Leeds books for four years is a long time. You're saying he's a player Leeds had clearly scouted before they signed him and has been with them for years. Haven't you kind of proven my point?

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