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Apologies if this has been mentioned before but IMO Buderus deliberatley gave away the last penalty and also IMO was correct to do so- our defence was shot to pieces and from 1 yard out with one tackle left Wigan would have fancied their chances to score. and win the game. As already mentioned it wasnt an easy kick, been taken from a wide angle by an unrecognised kicker who'd been having a poor game with the boot.
Playing the percentages he possibley saved us the game, but had to risk the chance of a draw.

And whilst we're on the subject, Hanley used to do similar things when he played for wigan by been deliberatley offside when the defence was vunreable to offer 2 points rather than 6.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Ding! Agenda alert.

Yes, Sinfield made mistakes. Given he had the ball in his hands as much as anyone else in the entire game (with the exception of Buderus) that's only to be expected.

He may not feel as much pressure to try and make things happen if he didn't have a headless chicken as a half-back partner however. Time's up Rob - you've been worked out. Either come up with another trick or move on.'"


Agree. Buderus and Sinfield are our only hopes of anything being created at the moment. I've also stated elsewhere that poor old Burrow (although beyond criticism on defence and in spirit) is devoid of anything other than running sideways and uselss attempts at 'ducking under'. Oh for a Rangi Chase in his place !

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Whilst I would agree that in the last few weeks buderus has made some errors late in the match he has still been one of our better players. He may have even "won" us a point against Wigan as we could and probably would have conceeded

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Quote: G1 "Thank you Leicester. After mine, the first objective assessment of Buderus which recognises there may be a developing issue with his errors at games end.

Nobody else has come on and addressed that point. All they have sought to do is claim "agenda" or criticise other players.

Nobody has posted anything to take away the negative points I have made about Buderus on a thread which is about Buderus. It's not a thread about Sinfield, Burrow, Senior, Watkins or others. If I have a negative view on those players or which to critique a part of their performance I will do so. What that has to do with Buderus's penchant for giving away late game penalties and possession is beyond me. It's as if it's simply sacrilege to observe anything negative about the guy. It's quite pathetic.'"


Maybe to most it isn't a real issue - given the effort he puts into the game and the level of involvement he is bound to make errors - in the same way the Sinfield does - as a % of the passes/tackles he makes the error count is pretty low. Something I would have thought was not beyond your comprehension.

Given that most on here see him having pretty good games and see him as a positive influence on the play they are prepared to accept errors are a part of the game at elite level. Against Wigan he saved a certain try - we must agree to differ, you are the only person on here who believes the defence was set and Wigan would not have scored - on Saturday the game was lost.

What is pathetic is your miopic view of Buderus - he is consistently in top 2/3 performers every week, you only have to look at the comments on this thread. Whilst Kirke may deserve your kicking, picking on Buderus does you no favours.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "picking on Buderus does you no favours.'"
How is highlighting his late game problems "picking on him"?

If you cold post a list of player's you deem beyond criticism I'll try and adhere to it.

Let me start it off for you..........

1. Danny McGuire.

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I think the form of Buderus is the last of our problems at the mo. Whilst not at his best he's still streets ahead of most of our pack - I almost feel embarrassed for him sometimes! At least he brings a consistent 85% to the pitch, rather than the all or nothing ethic of some of his team mates

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