FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > Leeds Rhinos > O/T Rugby Union
55 posts in 5 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman1016No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2015Jan 2013LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
Games/PDT_287.gif
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l61LLMTmrA&feature=related:2penstlp]Justin Murphy demonstrates the danger of playing on a soccer pitch that is too short for Rugby League[/url:2penstlp]:Games/PDT_287.gif



I'd agree with the contention that all goals should be two points. The penalty should be a punishment for play, but a an attempt at penalty goal is only one of four restart options (scrum, quick tap, kick for touch). The try should be the most valuable option, and IMO a) a penalty or drop goal should not be worth more than half the points value of a try and b) more than a conversion. There is the oft repeated fear that reducing the value of a goal would encourage more infringements. No, it would not, especially since RU has a sin-bin now, and that deters infringements most effectively.

Quote: Catalancs "Didn't the ELV's first come in in 2008? Super 14 (soon to be 15) was better when it still resembled union.'"


The rlELVsrl were developed at Stellenbosch University in the Western Cape, South Africa, by an IRB panel. As per the Wikipedia link, they were trialled from Jan 2007 in S Africa, Scotland, Cambridge, England, then in the NSW Shute Shield (Sydney First Grade club Rugby) and the Australian Rugby Championship. They got a good reception in the Shute Shield/ARC that year. They were later trialled in Super 14 in 2008, and got a mixed reception - most of the negative press from the Northern Hemisphere. Some rules didn't work that well, e.g. pulling down the maul, but the free kick replacing penalty was good. However, the NH 6 Nations chose to not test that and other rules, and then voted to scrap most.

Quote: Catalancs "For me, and I understand to some degree why, the Super 14 and to a lesser degree Southern Hemisphere rugby union has moved towards rugby league.'"


Actually, many Australians and NZers would argue that SH Rugby more closely resembles the way Rugby Union should be played - with ball in hand, encouraging the use of skilful handling, playmaking, inventive attacking lines and creative array of kicking to create tries.

Quote: Catalancs "I think the competition would be much better and interesting if we got some different winners; 15 seasons, 4 different champions.'"


Agreed, Super Rugby could do with different winners, and the new expanded NFL style conference (H&A with 'local' teams format may well provide that. The current S14 format with small finals series made early season momentum essential, put huge travel burdens on South African teams, and put league leaders and 2nd played teams in pole position to win. I could see the (KwaZulu-Natal) Sharks, the Stormers and Queensland Reds challenging next year.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5526
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2018Jan 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

1 Warrington 2 Hull 3 Wigan 4 Castleford 4 Castleford 5 St Helens 6 Leeds 7 Catalans 8 Hudedersfield 9 Widnes 10 Wakefield 11 Salford 12 Leigh Playoffs:Warrington Hull Wigan Castleford Four sides rejoining: Widnes Wakefield Salford Leigh GF Winners Warrington CC Winners Wigan:



I understand the arguments for & against dropping the value of penalty goals but I think that the pro is more convincing if the refs use the yellow card more effectively.
Both the welsh & scottish games last weekend would have improved IMV had the ref used the sin bin for persistent infringements.
A good game of RU is on a par with a good game of RL but a bad one is far worse.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach18736No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2013Jan 2013LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
20672.jpg
:CROWN: [color=#4000FF:3cyxr5nr]RLFans.com Soccer Prediction League Champion 2011/2012[/color:3cyxr5nr] :CROWN: [url=http://www.christie.nhs.uk/the-christie-charity/donate.aspx:3cyxr5nr]The Christie - please donate[/url:3cyxr5nr] [url=http://www.popbitch.com/home/2009/10/05/red-pepper-news:3cyxr5nr]Greatest headline ever?[/url:3cyxr5nr]:20672.jpg



Quote: Old Feller "A good game of RU is on a par with a good game of RL but a bad one is far worse.'"

I'd go along with that.

Looking forward to France v Australia next weekend.

DHM
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach8893
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2024Apr 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
25511_1478008518.jpg
"Well, I think in Rugby League if you head butt someone there's normally some repercusions":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_25511.jpg



Quote: The Observer "The rlELVsrl were developed at Stellenbosch University in the Western Cape, South Africa, by an IRB panel. As per the Wikipedia link, they were trialled from Jan 2007 in S Africa, Scotland, Cambridge, England, then in the NSW Shute Shield (Sydney First Grade club Rugby) and the Australian Rugby Championship. They got a good reception in the Shute Shield/ARC that year. They were later trialled in Super 14 in 2008, and got a mixed reception - most of the negative press from the Northern Hemisphere. Some rules didn't work that well, e.g. pulling down the maul, but the free kick replacing penalty was good. However, the NH 6 Nations chose to not test that and other rules, and then voted to scrap most.

Actually, many Australians and NZers would argue that SH Rugby more closely resembles the way Rugby Union should be played - with ball in hand, encouraging the use of skilful handling, playmaking, inventive attacking lines and creative array of kicking to create tries.

'"


Many observers saw the ELV's as a way for Southern Hemisphere teams (particularly Australia) to negate the strengths of us up North. They were seen clearly for what they were by the Home Unions and the French and they were not adopted. What really killed them was the catastrophic effect they had on the game in super 14. The aimless kicking of the ball - and not out of play - for the large majority of plays made it a grim game to watch and the spectators and the TV networks were not impressed.
It's a product at the end of the day, so the likes of Australia, NZ and SA had to go back to the old chestnut of the refereeing of the breakdown as a way to guarantee a World Cup win next time around. With the rules about coming in throught the tackle gate, you now can't simply pour more men into a ruck to win the ball as their just isn't the space. This suits the likes of NZ who can now simply have two guys in a ruck to win the ball cleanly and quickly, and on opposition ball 7's like McCaw (where the Southern Hemisphere perceive they have an advantage) can bridge over the ball and you can't move them off.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member75No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2011Oct 2011LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



If you increased the value of the Penalty goal to say 5-6 points, you would see far less penalties being kicked as there would be less infringements. Decreasing the penalty goal would only further increase the number of kicks per game. Most teams defensive mindsets are better to let them have 3 points for a penalty than say 5-7 for a try and conversion, if you increase the Penalty goal then defensive are going to think twice about committing a transgression if a team is winning by a converted try 7 points it can afford to give away two penalty goals only 6 points and still win, if a Penalty is worth 5 points then by giving one away it brings the game closer if a team is winning by 7 points, 2 penalties and the team will win by 3 points.

This idea has already been trialled elsewhere, where the Penalty Goal was worth something ridiculous like 10 points, in the game that was played no penalty was given away by the defending team.

55 posts in 5 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
55 posts in 5 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


4.7294921875:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Film game
Boss Hog
5624
2m
Salford
karetaker
11
29m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
The Dentist
4012
30m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2589
31m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Jack Burton
11
34m
Dual Reg
Big lads mat
7
36m
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
fanstanningl
501
Recent
How many games will we win
bellycouldta
3
Recent
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
33s
Salford
karetaker
11
49s
Dual Reg
Big lads mat
7
57s
Rumours thread
Scarlet Pimp
2515
1m
Catalan Away
jonh
5
1m
Rumours and signings v9
NickyKiss
28895
1m
Fixtures 2025
Ellam
63
2m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Jack Burton
11
2m
2025 Kit
Wigan Bull
12
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63221
3m
How many games will we win
bellycouldta
3
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
bellycouldta
3
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
jonh
5
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
karetaker
11
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
319
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
512
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1261
England's Women Demolish The W..
1087
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1324
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1117
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1376
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1916
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2135
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2377
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1949
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2186
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2651
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2081
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2156
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.65M +22,108 80,15514,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Thu 13th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Fri 14th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Hull KR
v
Castleford
20:00
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sat 15th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
St.Helens
v
Salford
 Sun 16th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
 Thu 20th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Wakefield
v
Hull KR
 Fri 21st Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Warrington
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 22nd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
15:00
Salford
v
Leeds
20:00
Castleford
v
St.Helens
 Sun 23rd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
14:30
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
 Thu 6th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
20:00
Hull FC
v
Leigh
 Fri 7th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
20:00
Castleford
v
Salford
20:00
St.Helens
v
Hull KR
 Sat 8th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
17:30
Catalans
v
Leeds
 Sun 9th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
17:30
Warrington
v
Wakefield
17:30
Wigan
v
Huddersfield
 Thu 20th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R4
20:00
Salford
v
Huddersfield
 Fri 21st Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R4
20:00
St.Helens
v
Warrington
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Film game
Boss Hog
5624
2m
Salford
karetaker
11
29m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
The Dentist
4012
30m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2589
31m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Jack Burton
11
34m
Dual Reg
Big lads mat
7
36m
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
fanstanningl
501
Recent
How many games will we win
bellycouldta
3
Recent
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
33s
Salford
karetaker
11
49s
Dual Reg
Big lads mat
7
57s
Rumours thread
Scarlet Pimp
2515
1m
Catalan Away
jonh
5
1m
Rumours and signings v9
NickyKiss
28895
1m
Fixtures 2025
Ellam
63
2m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Jack Burton
11
2m
2025 Kit
Wigan Bull
12
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63221
3m
How many games will we win
bellycouldta
3
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
bellycouldta
3
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
jonh
5
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
karetaker
11
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
319
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
512
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1261
England's Women Demolish The W..
1087
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1324
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1117
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1376
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1916
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2135
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2377
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1949
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2186
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2651
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2081
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2156


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!