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Quote: LS16_Rhino "The snail eating, garlic stinking surrender monkey that the RFL employ is the biggest invertebrate to enter a professional rugby pitch.'"

I take it that you don't like the said gentleman, then. icon_surprised.gif

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Quote: tvoc "With the majority of NRL games I watched earlier in the season when they were available free to air on Setanta mark 2 or whatever it was called I could literally fast forward through 75% of the game and miss very little except the repetitive, set for set, fault free, grind backwards and forwards in the middle third of the pitch. The other 25% will have come off the back of an occasional long range break or a penalty allowing for an attacking set.

Such is the direction the modern game has taken.'"

I think you're right there tvoc, which despite the fact they're a bit of a mess I would be tempted to at least look at some kind of contested scrum so that possession isn't quite as vital as it is right now.

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Quote: southyorksdave "one of the reasons players from past eras had so much skill was that as kids all they did was play sports without the distractions todays kids have
i've 3 teens and altho they play a lot of sports they barely spend half as much time out as i did as a kid and some of their friends are out once a week if that
we used to play 20 aside games of football,rugby and cricket and it allowed you the chance to improve your skills as you played almost every day'"

I wouldn't agree with that necessarily. There is a belief that players in days gone by had more skill than todays generation, I don't agree with that I just think the skills have changed. I'd agree it's not as good to watch but I think today's players in general are more skillfull. Kicking both long and short are a lot better, as is short passing and handling and defences are miles better than they used to be. It's just with the defences being so quick and so good it's much, much, much more difficult to find space. Just from watching the '78 Cup Final that was on recently I was amazed at how much space there was for attackers to run at. I think we under-estimate how good defences are these days and how difficult it is to put someone in for a try.

More boring? - Yes
Less skillfull? - No

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Quote: jedediah "I take it that you don't like the said gentleman, then.
The only reason he regularly refs the SL is because he's French - no other. He's spineless and is easily intimidated. The 'incident' at DW the other week just optimises his resolve in the way that he’d seemingly made his decision then instantly reversed it after speaking to the TJ.

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Quote: LS16_Rhino "The only reason he regularly refs the SL is because he's French - no other. He's spineless and is easily intimidated. The 'incident' at DW the other week just optimises his resolve in the way that he’d seemingly made his decision then instantly reversed it after speaking to the TJ.'"

..and maybe there arent enough "qualified" SL refs around, especially when one "goes missing " due to a possible combination of anger management problems and old ladies.. icon_wink.gif

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I have been a life long fan of Rugby. Having played both League and Union in the 50's and 60's and coached in the 80's & 90's. Since the late 50's I have actively supported Leeds and have been privileged to watch most of the greatest players throughout the game from 1959 through to the current SL era.

The move from part time pros to full time athletes has seen a big improvement in fitness and defensive and team skills. However IMO the individual attacking skills have not improved and may have gone backwards. In fact there are far fewer individually brilliant players now then in the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's. As has already been stated almost every team had very gifted half backs, creative centres, ball playing looseforwards & props and the game seemed faster and more entertaining.

But there were also periods of boring play when there was no limit on the number tackles. I remember when they first introduced a limit on the number of tackles and Roy Francis producing a fast offload game that was superb to watch.

I think SL has gone backwards over the last 3 or 4 years due in part to the accent on no risk defence. So the play is now so predictable and is becoming boring with the result in a drop in attendances. We are breeding all the players to be the same build with too much work in the gym building strength rather than speed and ball skills. There seems to be no place now for the slightly built back with great speed and a side step. Our are really all now 2nd row forwards without the ability to change the angle of run to draw or step the opposition and give their winger a clear run.

However I am still a big fan and happen to think this is just a phase we are going through. Some coach will come along and sweep the board with attacking rugby bring in the crowds and everyone will copy the new format.... I hope!

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