To jump in on the Buderus/McShane comments - TBH I have jumped to the end of this thread before it started to break down into a typical school boy thread...my opinion...numpty...no nowt about league...blah, blah, blah...

For me, I was chuffed when Leeds signed Buderus as I thought he would be another Bai - experienced (read old), but would bring a lot to the team. BUT he has been expensive and he has been injured a lot. Therefore for me, and for want of a better term, I think he has become a luxury player - similar to Brent Tate at Vodafone Warriors over in NZ (don't get me started on centres) - which no top flight league team can afford these days - as much due to the salary cap as to player development.

How have we ended up back here again?

I know this make me look a bit of a geek, but I was looking through the opta stats kindly posted by TVOC and decided to look a bit more closely at the number of metres made by Buderus. At first glance impressive; certainly more so than Diskin. However, if you use the figures relating to Buderus to calculate a running mean, i.e. to determine whether the average number of metres he makes per match has been increasing or decreasing through the season, an interesting pattern emerges. His average no. metres made per game actually peaked in week three. Thereafter, it has decreased week on week without exception. Now it may be that it will increase again towards the playoffs (or payoffs if you prefer), which I'm sure we'd all hope for; in the meantime it suggests to me that he started the season with something of a bang which he's since struggled to live up to (at least in terms of metres made). Is this a fair assessment?

Pathetic.

I made a claim that Buderus contributed virtually nothing. You made a counterclaim that he won 4 matches. Era of the Biff, not unreasonably, asked you which ones they were.

You see, you dismiss my opinions as being an agenda, you dismiss era of the biff as trolling, but you're the one who can't contribute positively to the debate in a grown up fashion.

Substantiate your claim. Which 4 games did he single handed win for us? I can think of Huddersfield away last year as a game when he was a major influence on the outcome. And that is the only game that springs to mind during his entire tenure. How many man of the match awards has he been given?

I wouldn't say that the meters made for a hooker is a key indicator, its certainly not as meaningful as that for the other forwards, as their roles are different. The hookers are more similar to halfbacks in that they are laying the platform for the other players, with many carrys sideways rather than straight towards the line.

You are a geek



However, if we're going to rely upon statistics this the kind of analysis that should be undertaken. very interest and somewhat alarming,

Maybe so, however your missing my point, some fans are seeing his name and treating him as though he was the player he was 6 or 7 years ago. Yes he still has the touch but he isn't as influencial as he once was

my point is some fans dont look at the rest of the team and see the contributions that the "unsung" heros of our team make and would rather focus their attenition on Buderus

Dont get me wrong, we have him in his twilight but other players are worth of more praise IMO

Although I disagree with your stance on Buderus in general, I have to agree here. If you say that he has won 4 games single handedly, then you should be able to name those 4 games.

Personally I am not sure that in the setup we have with Buderus and Diskin sharing the hooking role, and neither being 'impact' type hookers, I can't really see how either would be in the running for MOM awards, and as such not a valid measure. I accept this also does add fuel to the fire saying that for the 40mins a week we get out of him that he's too expensive, however I don't know any details of his cost, so can't really comment, but it does still look that way.

In terms of good games he's had, the game at Quins last season was also a great performance, though I wouldn't go over the top and say he won it single handedly.

Its actually one of the better long running debates, where most people actually contribute different opinions on the various facets of one of they key areas of the squad. On the whole its done in a grown up matter.

Go throught the many threads and they will be repeated, the games in question will be repeated.

Its boring. It would not be so bad if the trolls waited a few weeks to bring things back up, but it's now weekly, soon it will be daily.

Danny is a poor troll these days with nothing to contribute at all on this forum.

No they haven't. You're just making things up again.



[uTranslation: [/uI made a claim but cannot back it up with cold hard facts.

You're a pale imitation of your former self, which really takes some beating I hasten to add.





Which 4 games were they again?