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So you want clubs to spend £2M on wages when they already run at a loss spending £1.65M? Where is the extra revenue going to come from? Would you be happy paying £40-50 to go to a game so clubs could afford to pay higher wages?

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Why do you think giving players higher wages equates to better quality rugby and vice versa?

I recall Graham Lowe's comments about the full time Super League tourists. It was alon the lines that they were soft. They turn up to training in their BMWs and then sit around all day. Lads who turn up to night training after working as a plasterer etc were much better.

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Quote: G1 "Gotcha

Why do you think giving players higher wages equates to better quality rugby and vice versa?

I recall Graham Lowe's comments about the full time Super League tourists. It was alon the lines that they were soft. They turn up to training in their BMWs and then sit around all day. Lads who turn up to night training after working as a plasterer etc were much better.'"

I think the "top" players deserve more and that clubs shouldn't be pushed into losing quality youngsters they've produced because they are penalised by the cap.
I'm all in favour of acadamy produced players having a % of their wages cap exempt.
As for other clubs who aren't producing the youth that shouldn't mean that they get the advantage of taking top youngsters that clubs like Leeds and Saints produce.

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Quote: G1 "Gotcha

Why do you think giving players higher wages equates to better quality rugby and vice versa?

I recall Graham Lowe's comments about the full time Super League tourists. It was alon the lines that they were soft. They turn up to training in their BMWs and then sit around all day. Lads who turn up to night training after working as a plasterer etc were much better.'"



The landlord of Stoggy's would like to disagree with you.

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Quote: Bullseye "That's all well and good but I see two issues

I think you are assuming that the players the game brings through are all the players available to be brought through, and i really cant agree thats the case.

If the game were to cast its net wider and deeper we would get more, better, players.

We have a system which pretty much consists of a player joining the an amateur club as a child, then moving through the stages, the cream goes to academy rugby, the cream of that to first team. That is really the only route into the game, and we simply dont have the a nationwide amateur set up to sustain that as our only route.

I am personally of the belief that there are many many athletes out there who could be top quality players, but simply never play the game.

Look at a player like Kevin Penny, a basketball player who within a few years of taking up the game is an SL player. Whilst he may not be the answer, the next one might be.

Making it integral to your competitiveness to have a spine of players you have developed will mean when the amateur player pool is exhausted clubs will be forced to to explore new areas and find more, new players and we would see RL scouts looking at sprinters, basketball players, wrestlers, who are 13, 14, 15, 16 and not played RL before, giving them the opportunity, teaching them the basics and i would be very very surprised if we didnt improve our league and national team. There is a limited amount of world class athletic ability, we cant expect it to just fall into our laps in the amatuer RL system.

But whilst the options are all that time and effort and no little skill to find and develop a player, or an antipodean who you know will have the basics already there, clubs arent going to do this.


Quote: Bullseye "2. Any system that favoured clubs for getting homegrown talent in the first team would have to take into account where the club was. For instance it's easier for Leeds and Bradford to promote local talent as they're both clubs in RL areas. It's not the case for Quins or Crusaders. Clubs that have a harder time producing youngsters should get more of a reward.'"
there would be no real issue with giving crusaders a dispensation. Especially with regards to attracting welsh union players. Quins i feel are in a position to compete on an even footing, and that is something they should be very proud of

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Quote: G1 "Gotcha

Why do you think giving players higher wages equates to better quality rugby and vice versa?

I recall Graham Lowe's comments about the full time Super League tourists. It was alon the lines that they were soft. They turn up to training in their BMWs and then sit around all day. Lads who turn up to night training after working as a plasterer etc were much better.'"


It produces better quality for the teams that have the players.

I don't go with this argument that because players don't get the wage they want that they will go to another club, thus increasing the competition in the league. We only have to look at Australia for that, to see players leaving for a sport alien to Rugby League.

I don't see Player A leaving Saints/Leeds to get a better salary at Crusaders/Wakefield. They would have 2 options, leave the game or accept the lower wage and be dissatisfield.

The salary cap is a wonderful concept that all team sports should implement, but it should not be restrictive to the players. Like I said, IMO a decent rugbly league player should be able to earn £100k per year, and should have the opportunity to win things at the same time. I don't think that is excessive. But under the current cap limit a team can not have too many players of that level, never mind great Rugby League players.

IMO all clubs should be spending the same cap yes, but you should not penalise certain teams in order to bring them down to the level of others. It should be the other way round.

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