Saints are still dangerous even if they arnt as good as they were before. Leeds were underdogs in 2007 and 2008 and won the GF so you dont have to be favourite at this point to win it.

I think anyone in the top 8 can beat anyone else, im still backing a Saints-Leeds final but not as strongly as the last two years.

How worried are you that your team only shows passion and will to win when you play us? I'd feel a little short-changed if I were you.

However to answer your question, yes I can see St Helens beating us, they are a very good team and if we meet it will be a good and a close game. However they will have to start showing some passion and commitment against the other teams to even start thinking about playing us never mind winning.

Saints will again make the GF as long as they dont bottle it!
you will clearly need all your big players to stand up though,so there can be no more hiding places for your "soft cock" players like leon should you wish to progress

i dont think leeds were underdogs really in 2007 ,after the game at KR 10-8 leeds were in the driving seat .

i don't think you will get there. i think you have been awful for a lot of the season and the three leeds games apart you have been largely woeful.
you would have to play at the top of your game for 3 games in a row, something you haven't done all season.
once you get rid of the deadwood,and even though i agree KC has been SL's best ever player,he is one. get moore and roby in tandem next year, get in a couple of quality forwards and i think you could win it next year.
but not this for me

We were 6/4 with the bookies, they were close favourites.

I don't think its a lack of passion or commitment. Anyone who has played the game knows that there are no hiding places and if you go into a game half d you're going to get hurt.

We've had far too many injuries this year, many clubs wouldn't have made the top 8 with the injuries we've had let alone making the semis of the cup. We've struggled finding consistency all year due to the injuries. The kids that have come in have done very well considering some of them could still be playing junior academy.

Look at the saints side that demolished Castleford at the Jungle earlier this season and the Saints side now


not seen a team change for the worse in such a short space of time as Saints have done like this before

Actually, not true. We had a purple patch at one point where we looked like our old selves: beating you guys twice in a short time, tonking Wakey and Cas, beating Wigan and Wire and such like. But either side of that we have varied from poor to poop. However, I don't think that has anything to do with form.

maybe so,. but the team, or the key parts, have been allowed to get old together. you have had no consistency yet ask me to believe you can peak for 3 successive games.
sorry but i just don't think you are good enough to do it

I'm [ialways[/i worried.