When they were getting beaten by said average opposition week in week out you could say they were under achieving because on paper they were better than that.

Now they are beating these teams you could say they are finally achieving what they are capable of.

If they were to start beating the Leeds and Saints in the world then you could say they were over achieving.

You could if you lived anywhere near Cas ....

oooh

nice to see a bit of appreciation/respect going about for the wire, if you read the saints and wigan boards, aparently we've 1 or 2 games(11in 13 i think) and are now getting ideas above our station. Despite the fact we've been playing and winning ugly for this last 6 week or so, something we're happy to do and could never do under cullen.

With Cunningham and Long out, I think they might just fancy their chances. I did hear on Thursday from a Stains fan that he thinks Long has played his last game for them and that Potter will use this to find his replacement ready for next season.

I hope they beat saints because they always play well against them and end up losing by a try or drop goal!

On the basis of tonight's game which I thought was a cracker, it's a good job the playoffs aren't for another good few weeks.
Despite being without Long, Cunningham, Cayless and Gidley, Saints were still good enough to beat the Wolves away.
Credit where it's due, as Phil Clarke said on the commentary they've done this by blooding 5 youngsters who've come through their academy, something we did 6 or so years ago & look where we are now. That is my concern about the current (my perception) lack of real quality in the Reserves & Academy sides currently - particularaly in the forwards.

dont think so mate , ive seen quite a few un18 games this season and it aint the forewards that are letting anybody down , go see for yourself and dont just go of a score line in the paper , go and watch the lack ov quality in the forewards as you would put it , then after youve seen them you can come back and write down what you saw !

Acid test failed but thought it was a good game to watch.

A pity Morley was unavailable but St Helens were hit harder than Warrington and still looked a class apart.

I thought Silverwood had a good game overall and Ganson likewise on the buttons.

Agreed apart from the failure to spot the tackle/assault on Grix and why on earth does Cummings persist in picking Ganson to be involved as an official when Saints are playing?
I cannot believe that there was no other qualified official available to fulfil that role.