Thought buderus played well we are seeing what he can do. If he keeps playing well and play like he does in the origin games he will have been a good buy for the club.

Roby has over 150 appearances albeit about two thirds as sub. I know his debut was early 2004, but with an average of 35-40 games a season, thats at least four years of near regular appearances.

The other difference of course is that Saints sent Moore out on loan to clubs they knew weren't a threat to them in terms of league position. Are there many clubs in that position who Leeds would feel comfortable lending first team squad members to?

Good point Mr Gilder.

Although the club previously have stated that they would not hold back a player from playing against his club. They let Scruton and Botham play against us whilst on loan.

I'm not suggesting McShane playing every week but unless Brian McClennan is thinking of playing him in 8/10 First Team games this season i'd rather have him out on loan than playing Reserve Academy level...

Well Scott Moore is out of contract at the end of the season so it's a case of whether St Helens want him or whether he wants to go back to them ...