just remind me who is a more succesful team plz

Parameters plz

We’re reigning champions so by definition we are more successful.

HTH – thicko

That's a pretty dumb statement.

No it’s not, its technical accurate.

You didn’t define any parameters to your question therefore you must have been referring to the present indicative. As so Leeds are the most successful team.

Now who’s dumb?

Only way you could say who is the best team is by seeing whos won the most games over a season and whos won the most head to heads against each other.

Last season Saints won both. HTH

and lost the one that really counted

H-T-H

So that makes you the better team on the night. Which as been pointed out a number of times. No arguments from anyone.

St Helens are the better team.

they were on friday, no arguements from me there. however you started about league games last season

who are the bigger chokers? Leeds or Saints?

You decide who is the best team in our competition by a game at Old Trafford in October. If you look at replays of the Saints dressing room last year and the year before the look on James Graham's face will tell you this is the case. Just like the the look on Jamie Peacock's would have told you in '02.

But you know this already. It just takes you co*ks about 4 months to re-create the delusion that you are still the Champions based on a set of criteria that you have to modify each year we beat you.

Here's an interesting thought, but have Saint Ellins ever won a GF after meeting Leeds in the playoffs? Maybe they have maybe they haven't?