Its probably not important who the 19s coach is then,if theyr expected to follow somone elses instructions it dosnt matter if theyr a good coach or not

I did say to be fair to Hetherington, he has changed, and is changing things.

Thats good to know but shouldnt of got to that stage to start with....It takes me back to my original point tho,the approach of promoting from within cant be judged on how well plume did or didnt do when by the sound of it he wasnt given a fair chance,now that the 19's coach wont have to take instruction on how to work like plume had to i think it would be a good idea to revist that approach in future,reward good coaches for being good coaches(if they want it)

Don't think you need to worry about Butterill according to his dad he's Warrington bound for next year working fulltime with their 16s and 19s(A fulltime gig is something he's been chasing for a while and doesn't feel he will get an opportunity at Leeds as they go down the ex player route) . I agree with others though that in such a short space of time he's done a great job with the 16s. The numbers moving up are testimony to that . Guess we either get in an ex player or as discussed go into the community game for a replacement.

I wonder where that leaves Peter Williams at Warrington?

Is that the same Peter Williams who played RU & RL to a high level?

I wasn't worried about Butterill, I think he is an excellent coach, and was a step up for us. That proven by the fact you say looks Warrington bound. Says more about the Leeds club and it's poor focus in this area, than it does about the coach and the club employing, if what you say is true.

Yes, also George Williams' dad I think?

Would I be correct in saying that he played for Orrell in the late 70s/early 80s then went to play RL for Salford?
IIRC he represented England at RU.
Good pedigree for George, he's much stockier than his dad.

Yes he is George Williams dad and currently coach of Wire scholarship, that's why I asked the question.