I agree Sutcliffe should not be our main organiser. I said last season that he has not shown he has the skills required to be a halfback and that his style is more suited to centre or fullback. That is not bashing a youngster but my genuine opinion. To put him in such a key position of responsibility in this case is not fair on the lad or the team. To not recruit a decent half back was a big error as it was a huge risk to put all your money on McGuire playing a full season. So when Mags got injured who else had we got?

Lilley looks a more natural halfback though lacking a bit of pace and Golding played most of his junior rugby at scrum half I believe and in any case he has all the attributes to make a good half back although I agree he is also a classy looking attacking fullback.

Also to expect Burrow to completely change his style of play and become the new Sinfield was also wrong. He is an off the cuff instinctive player and is at his best in that role.

Many of the ones complaining now are those that didn't forsee our half back weakness and were more than happy to go with Sutcliffe. We need organisers and decision makers at half back.

More McDermott bashing from the usual suspect.

This never happened when Sinfield was selecting the team.

Ah TVOC (a dyed in the wool supporter) you are so right!

What is happening to Leeds now is a tragedy for whatever reason and an answer needs to be found.

Perhaps someone can confirm when Falloon was replaced (Walters?) the following happened: Burrow to hooker, McGuire to scrum-half, Sutcliffe to stand-off, Hardaker to full-back, Watkins to wing, Ablett to centre and Walters to second row.

To contrast in the NRL Peter Wallace (noted half-back) has stepped in to cover the hooking duties - in doing so I heard he made/is making 40+ tackles a game just like a hooker should. No disruption to structures, no hiding on the fringe defence, no complication and no excuses.

If true, that is a monstrous reshuffle

From an outsiders POV.

Firstly I can't believe whats going on with Leeds, even losing JP & KS I thought you would still make the top 4. But your results so far the year have astonished me.

Secondly you are in the same position as us Wires were 2/3 seasons ago when we lost Briers, Morley, Hodgson etc. It has taken us 2 full seasons to turn things around. Ive only seen Leeds once this year when we played you so I can't comment on your lay. But this year seems much much deeper than your usual slow start to the season only to go on and win it from Fifth.

I think some of the answers to your current problems are more deeper than what is going on at Leeds. I think the RFL need to up the salary cap I really do, only then will SL clubs able to attract and retain the top players. Only through the Marquee signing rule have we been able to get Chrissy who has totally changed us as a team but he is just one player. There is currently not the quality across teams that our game needs. The old adage of the salary cap levelling up the field now gone. Warrington, Wigan, Leeds, Hull, Saints & Salford now all have the financial backing to compete but we're all held back by the cap.

The cap has to stay otherwise you will get the same as when Wigan won year after year . This season is not great for Leeds but i bet plenty of others are enjoying it

That's just rubbish. A cap is a cap, not a never ending. Increasing it, increases it for all. The proof is in the pudding, the competition is declining because of the restrictions. Had we increased it in real terms then at the least we would have stayed as we were as a comp. another 200k is the equivalent of only two quality players, which would help all.

I said the cap had to stay , not that it could not be increased