Fine, but to be fair, I am glad there are people who actually voice where things should improve as opposed to the Martyn Sadler approach to life where all things that the RL do must be praised.

That said, does watering the pitch mean you get better value from your kicking game as the ball will tend to sit down rather than bounce and roll as it would on a hard surface?

If Saints had a kicking game of any note, they may have been able to better exploit these conditions.

I agree but think we need to be careful about high profile players saying the things they do.

For example, when the game is trying to sell the concept of Murrayfield magic it can hardly help when a player deriving his income from the game belittles it in advance. Same with the playoffs.

Maybe after the events or in the off season is the time for Mr Wilkin, who is clearly articulate and intelligent, if often a little off the mark, is the time for him to voice his opinions?

To a lesser extent Peacock was guilty of this with his negative comments abouth e clubcall event in the build up to it.

As I've already said I don't really agree with his assessment but also, to be honest, I think his comments are a fair opinion.

My main point (which I think has been lost, so maybe I wasn't clear) was the contrast between the headline "Leeds deserve win" and the article that never quite manages to say that.

(Admittedly, Wilkin probably had nothing to do with the choice of headline)

I think that although Saints were making more meters per set than Leeds probably did, most of the game was 20m either side of the half way line. I can only remember 1 drop out being forced by either team.

I think Leeds may have made many fewer meters ball in hand, but got to the danger zone on more occassions, and were able to forge more openings

Still picking a Saints win chug muffin?

Thirded. He's said nowt wrong here though.

Credit to Long to for his after match comments. Despite being clearly disappointed he was very gracious in defeat. Went up a lot in my estimations.

That echoes my thoughts on the match report thread ... The turning point came around the 25th minute with the forward rotation from the bench. Basically, what we brought on was better and more motivated than what they brought on ....

Hear, hear! He showed what a true sportsman he is and I hope that Rhinos fans get off his back now. Whinging Gilmour could learn a thing or two from Long about being a sportsman in defeat ('Smith was a foot offside!').

In today's RL Express he's blaming us winning on the fact that the field had been waterered