www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/ma ... -crusaders this is the article its taken from enjoy.

www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/ma ... -crusaders this is the article its taken from enjoy.

the more i find out about the bloke i dont think hes anything but a to55er. who is being clever with this and the rfl,

The implication from this article is that at first his team mates had the up most respect for him, so much so they weren't comfortable even mentioning him being gay. The point is that first of all you can't compare what his team mates may have said to the abuse he received at Castleford. Furthmore, it is irrelevant if he was or was not offended, homophobic abuse was no doubt offensive to the many other people (especially those with children) who heard it.

It will be interesting to see how your appeal gets on.

I am a civil servant and we have an equality and diversity policy that means I would be brought up on a gross misconduct charged and if found guilty would be sacked for any form of abuse be it homophobic racial colour of someone's hair or size of their waist. It does not matter if the person I victimised is offended either, if the abuse offends someone else then they are obliged to report me! The RFL now have to be very careful as they have opened a can of worms!!!!

We will never see a club fined £40,000 for chants about hair colour or size. Unless of course such chants were mixed with other forms of abuse.

It just isn't going to happen. The way that a lot of people (not just Castleford fans) have gone "Oh well Leeds called Graham fat and ginger so they should get fined too" is insane, and undermines the severity of what has taken place, by trying to equate two totally different forms of abuse.

The more posts of yours I read, the more I swing towards thinking maybe the RFL fine was spot on.

Did Leeds have a fine suspended sentence hanging over them on the back of previous warnings also?

Thought not.

As fans you are just making yourselves sound ridiculous now. There is no doubt the fine was harsh, but as you were the only club to have been warned several times and have a suspended sentence hanging over you about lack of crowd control, you can harldy bleat at other clubs to have the same treatment.

What has a previous fine for something unrelated got to do with the discussion taking place?

Excuse me? Something unrelated?

It had nothing to do with something unrelated. You were warned previously about not controlling your crowd. You were fined subsequently, half of which suspended subject to future behaviour, for not adhering to those warnings. And then you go and reapeat it again, therefore as with any incident that is a suspended you quite rightly incurred that suspended fine plus what is relevant to the new incident.

Did any other club have that same warning or suspended sentence hanging over them?

Rather than bleat about consipiracy's on a message board, it would be better for your club and the game as a whole if you all united in getting rid of your poor minority of fans.

So why quote the redhead incident from the rhino's game?
What was being put up for discussion was abuse as a whole and whether the RFL would be dealing with all things equally....

I think it's rather sad trying to make this whole thing into a joke. Homophobia compared to calling someone a ginger is worlds apart. You might think you are been funny but you are no better than the folk committing the homophobic chants at you hovel of a dump

Any form of discrimination is wrong anyone who cant see that is as bad as the homophobes.

Well that's quite simple. Was it not that the opening poster was saying Leeds should be given a £40k fine like Cas because of the "alleged" redhead incident?

My response was did Leeds have a suspended fine hanging over them or had been warned previosly about controlling supporters?

If you want to treat them all equally then they are only the same if Leeds or any other club had the same warnings and suspended sentence hanging over them. As it stands now, had the opening poster put that because of this incident on Saturday then Leeds should be warned about future controlling of fans, then he might have had a point. But he didn't, he said Leeds should be fined the same as Cas.

What Leeds did on Saturday is put officials into the stand and announced immediately over the tannoy of what there intentions were if the language continued. This is something Cas even failed to begin to do, despite previous warnings and a suspended fine hanging over them.

I think you lot need to get a grip. Move away from yoyr slums and you'll see a world out there of gay people and ginger people. how on earth would you cope?

Erm cas did put officials into the stand and sent warnings out over the tannoy, so leeds did no more than cas did.

So you think leeds should be given a suspended fine if the rfl are employing its respect policy without favour?