Cas forever, Merger Never!

I still have the programme and sticker from the Easter weekend both Fev and Wakey games when we first said No to the poison dwarf and the RFL.
All these fans however well placed their intentions ask yourself one question...
We all have bitter enemies for opposition, would you gladly merge with yours?
Or would you nail your colours to your clubs mast in whatever guise it is?

Uppo58 explain to me why Hull & Hull KR shouldn't merge. HKR are in financial trouble with an unfinished stadium so they should move to the KC and you can play in red & black hoops and call yourselves the Humberside Rovers. With everyone in Hull following the same team you'd be unstoppable wouldn't you?
Or is it do as I say not as I do?

What drives you mad is a person from a club who has just gone bust, bailed out by the RFL, & walked away from all it's debts, a club who play in the most uninviting place you could imagine, when it was graded for SL it said it had it's finances under control, & an iconic ground, & given a grade B, then we find there going bankrupt, & went to the wall.

Luckily they had the foresight to get rid off there main asset, the ground, to the RFL. it would have been better if the council had used it as a land fill site for the foreseeable future......when you have paid all the creditors what there owed, then come & tell us how it's done.

shame moving to the kc hasnt brought u any success u parasite go away u div

Hello Exile its good point you make, but so many things are different for us. Hull FC do not have the needs and goals for survival that Cas Fev and Wakefield have. Infact we've held an 'A' Licence for a number of years so we are seen By RedHall to be a well run club. Our SL future is not on the line. Even in the Agar years which did not bring us entertaining Rugby our attendances were amongst the highest in SL. We are undergoing heavy investment at the mo in a effort to attract and nurture even more talent. Look I could go on but the point is we at Hull FC fortunately are just not in the same boat as you so we don't have the need to merge.

But HKR do suffer from many of the same key issues that you Trin and Fev do. They have limited attendance ceiling, they are losing money heavily. These are the key points for them that raise a huge question mark over their survival. But unlike you they do not have 2 partners in the same boat who are just 3 miles away.

HKR are also different from you in other ways which I can see justify their belief in their great days returning. For make no mistake, they once were not just just a champion side they were a champion club. They were able to make profits season on seaon, they had the ability to bring the worlds best players to HKR and pay the world record transfer fees if they had too. and they won trophies ....lots of em. They were definitely a big fish in a big Pool and they are hanging on hard to those days returning. Sadly for our neighbours like yourselfs its all historic talk because something went seriously wrong with the management of Rovers for which they are still paying the price today. But with real investment in the team and continued investment in Craven park they maybe have a chance. But its a big 'maybe'. Things have changed for them and though their support is fantastic and loud it is limited. And when it gets tough on the field it gets worryingly low. They cannot even survive on the best they are getting today so something big has to change at Craven Park too.

You would indeed have a point if we were in the same boat as Rovers and if you turn the clock back I can remember poor gates at the Boulevard for a long periods whch almost brought our demise. But one thing we always had even in those days was potential, and that was a potential to be amongst the best again, attract big crowds, and win things. and thats what happened. We have had a share of luck too but we are essentially a strong club and we have won trophies through every decade from the 70s 80s 90s to the noughties. But had those doldrum years continued and Rovers too like today were faced with a death wish scenario then calls would be made to merge. Your right Hull FC would always fight to stay alone because we know we can achieve 16k crowds and if Pearson can bring us silverware who knows what it could be ? you could easily add at least 3k to that.

So ultimately the fact we come from a City and we have large traditional support means we wont be calling for a merger here as there just isnt the need and we expect to have a future, a SL future, be profitable and hope to be bringing silverware home again soon. If that were true for Cas Wakey and Fev then i'm sure you'd feel the same. I believe a merger will guarantee you this.

Maddog hi,

This parasite has the future of RL at heart. RL in your area.

The point is that survival has to come before trophies, and then the trophies will come. For us as well as you.

Yes we had trophies at the Boulevard just as you had, but it would not have given us survival. Our move to the KC has given us that. and thats what you 3 need - but together - to sustain it.
Compared to our heady days of the eighties your probably right the KC hasn't brought us success. but we have had 2 Challenge cup Finals and a Grand Final so its not been all bad, and we are disappointed and expect more to come.
And we will have those days again and we will have success, purely because we survived.
Its easy to devalue that which you have today. But unless you do the right thing today you may not have it tomorrow.
I wouldn't take survival for granted. How you measure Hull FC success is the least of your probs at the mo. I would focus on doing whatever it takes to keep top line RL alive in the Calder region.

Its a hard pill to swallow but their just may not be a future for 3 clubs in so tight an area in this day and age. Wakefield are making a break for survival and rightly so, as they are trying to keep the survival cards in their own hands and if Newarket goes ahead it will increasingly reflect badly on Cas and Fev in so many ways.
If Newmarket does not go ahead for whatever reason then, You 3 need to get your heads together pronto, drop the baggage and the hatchets and create something special out of the 3 of you for the good of one area. Forget holding onto names start afresh, you can't concoct a name out out 3 club names.
If you have a vision you can have a future.

Walton. holding on to a sticker will not help you. You may still have your sticker in 20 years time. i'm sure there are Bramley supporters with stickers too if you get my drift. Dont take that the wrong way by the way.

Nailing your colours to the mast is not smart if there isnt a future. sometimes you need to change to survive. You could be something bigger and bright and strong or you could be a dinosaur.

You need a cause Walton. Rhetoric is fine but it has to have a direction and it has to give you a chance.

Good Luck with it.

wakefield castleford and featherston]e are there own clubs with there own history and futures i wud rather go down a league than merge whys it so important to you that we merge u div

not read all the posts but why dont cas stay where they are and knock down and re construct a stand at a time as kr have just done?

Uppo58 I appreciate your considered response but my point remains that using your argument that a merger would make for a stronger club in the Calder region is equally valid for a merger between Hull & HKR making for a stronger club in Humberside, an argument as it happens put forward on SL Backchat last week. The fact is that you don't want Hull & HKR to merge even though you might then have a club capable of challenging the Wigan/leeds dominance of RL. Its Rugby League Nimbyism, so I'll do you a deal- keep quiet about my club merging with our rivals and I'll do the same for you.

I hate the fact that the area keeps being referred to as "Calder Valley" or "Calder region/area" do people know where the Calder runs?
You are aware it runs through Halifax and Dewsbury aren't you, are you suggesting they join forces along with Wakey Fev & Cas?
Best thing for RL is for all these teams to have their own identity and rivalry as this generates stronger teams, and then Leeds & Hull can come in and pick off the best of the crop

So I take it you would not wish to merge with KR, and far from attaching any emotion to your choice of sporting clubs to support, follow teams until they expend their usefulness to you then drop them like the proverbial potato.
I on the other hand follow Cas...not Calder.
I will also look upon my sticker with the memories that I was there fighting for my clubs identity and not just walking blindly to some meaningless RL conglomerate...like Hull and Gateshead just for the money.

Well said that man!
Maybe now is the time that Wakey and Cas fans forget the petty arguments regarding going North, throwing abuse at each other and join in a common goal of negating all talk of mergers!!

If you think merger is such a good idea, why didn't you merge with KR instead of Gateshead.
With 1 club in Hull, you'd be onto a sure fire winner

Think Uppo58 does make a lot of good points and in a very eloquent way, but his ideology is totally funked!