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Quote: El Diablo "Since I'm working at home, I've done as you asked. I see what you're getting at, but with a quick PTB and the tackle noot made at marker, I reckon you won't see them given many weeks of the season to be honest. I suspect if you watch every PTB for both sides in the match you'll find plenty of examples of it not being penalised. I fear, in short, that you're clutching at straws a bit.'"


The attacking team has the right to play the ball as quick as they can. If the markers are not square PENALTY. It's like in football, if a player get's a slight nudge in the area and goes down it's not a penalty, but anywhere else on the field it's a free kick. If were we running the ball out from our 25 and it happened, it would have been given. The fact that it was in front of the posts with 15 seconds to go made all the difference. We had our chance and blew it, but you are looking for consistency in how the game is run and at the moment we are not getting it.

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Quote: jungle man "The attacking team has the right to play the ball as quick as they can. If the markers are not square PENALTY. It's like in football, if a player get's a slight nudge in the area and goes down it's not a penalty, but anywhere else on the field it's a free kick. If were we running the ball out from our 25 and it happened, it would have been given. The fact that it was in front of the posts with 15 seconds to go made all the difference. We had our chance and blew it, but you are looking for consistency in how the game is run and at the moment we are not getting it.'"


What nonsense. Ref's only penalise players for not being square where they go on to make a tackle/interfere with play (and obviously sometimes a hooker will exploit this and run straight at the player).

If ref's did what your suggesting and blew every time a marker isn't square we'd have a penalty every time a team got a quick play the ball - do you really want see an extra 20 penalties per match??? (Maybe you should go and watch Yawnion instead)

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Quote: Omar Little "What nonsense. Ref's only penalise players for not being square where they go on to make a tackle/interfere with play (and obviously sometimes a hooker will exploit this and run straight at the player).

If ref's did what your suggesting and blew every time a marker isn't square we'd have a penalty every time a team got a quick play the ball - do you really want see an extra 20 penalties per match??? (Maybe you should go and watch Yawnion instead)'"


So every time a player breaks a law of the game it shouldn't be penalised?

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Quote: Gronk! "So every time a player breaks a law of the game it shouldn't be penalised?'"


A player who isn't square has not broken the laws of the game so shouldn't be penalised. (He's technically "out of play"icon_wink.gif

A player who isn't square and then makes a tackle has broken the laws of the game and should be penalised.

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Quote: Omar Little "A player who isn't square and then makes a tackle has broken the laws of the game and should be penalised.'"


Forcing the ball carrier to change direction or avoid the player not square is also breaking a law of the game, in fact the same one you just used.

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Quote: Gronk! "Forcing the ball carrier to change direction or avoid the player not square is also breaking a law of the game, in fact the same one you just used.'"


Eh? If you're not square the ball carrier can run into you and he get's a penalty no-one is forcing him to avoid you.

Here you go here's the letter of the law intention is required....

[iRetire at play-the-ball (g) players of the side not in possession other than the player taking part in the play-the-ball and the acting half back are out of play if they fail to retire ten (10) metres from the point at which the ball is played or to their own goal lines. Players of the side in possession other than the player taking part in the play-the-ball and the acting halfback must retire behind their players involved in the play-the-ball or to their own goal line.

(h) having retired the distance prescribed in the preceding paragraph no player of the team not in possession may advance until the ball has cleared the ruck. A player who is out of play may again take part in the game when the advantage gained by not retiring has been lost.

Penalise intentional interference 10.(g) If the ball is played quickly, all players will not necessarily have time to retire the prescribed distance. They should be penalised only if they intentionally interfere with play – either actively or passively.
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From rlhttps://www.therfl.co.uk/a_guide_to_the_game/official_laws/11_tackle_and_playtheballrl

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Quote: Omar Little "Penalise intentional interference 10.(g) If the ball is played quickly, all players will not necessarily have time to retire the prescribed distance. They should be penalised only if they intentionally interfere with play – either actively or passively.
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So it IS a penalty if the hooker decided to step around the not square marker - he is passively interfering in the play there.

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Well I've rewatched the game on tv and consider the ref did a pretty good job. There are one or two slightly contentious decisions but nothing I'd say he got blatantly wrong.

The 2 Leeds 'tries' disallowed for forward passes in the 1st half were marginal at best. On another day both might be given and you can bet had it been Cas scoring the tries most Cas fans would have been upset with em being ruled off.

The tackle on McGuire at the end was slightly high and justified a penalty though it was a cruel way to lose. But then we should have won the game in 80 minutes and blew it by a couple of silly errors most notably Ben Davies forward pass that gave Leeds the great field position from which they scored their equalising try.

One official who I thought did an outstanding job was the blonde haired linesman. Unlike the majority of linesman who try their best to be invisible he assisted the referee with some very good decisions but without trying to become the centre of attention. He looked suspiciously like the guy who has refereed a few games this season - which might explain his confidence to make a decision as a linesman.

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Quote: jungle man "Here we are again talking about a game where an official has had a bearing on the outcome. McDermott said that it didn't make any difference what stage of the game it was, a penalty is a penalty... fair enough.

For all those who still have the match recorded, look at the play the ball when we were putting our selves in position for the drop goal (where Danny Orr runs it in) I think it's the 2nd play the ball after the scrum. See how square the markers are, penalty every day of the week? YES / Is ref going to win the game for Cas in front of the posts? NO / Did the ref bottle what was a blatant penalty decision? YOU BET HE DID. I didn't notice this at first due to the fact the defenders where all rushing about, but I encourage you to watch it and see for yourselves. I have never seen a ref run off the field as quickly in my life. If anyone has got the League Express, there is a picture of Sinfield after he struck the ball.... the ref is already on his bike
Rather than posting misleading freeze frames why don't you just watch the video rlhererl at about 2h05.

As you'll see at every PTB after the scrum Cas pass the ball straight away therefore there's no possibility of a penalty.

As for Peacock being involved in the tackle he does so after the onside players make the initial tackle (i.e. he gains no advantage) - read the rules above that's not a penalty.

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Quote: jungle man "It was the one before where Danny Orr tried side stepping through the line, but this one is just has good. In regards to the guy from the previous post, saying that they can be not square as long as they don't make a tackle, what a load of sh*t!!! The game has gone now, but it's the fact that it should have been a penalty with would have handed the game to Cas on a plate, but wasn't given.'"


Hey it's not my opinion its in the rules of the game in black and white.

If the ball is played quickly, all players will not necessarily have time to retire the prescribed distance. They should be penalised only if they intentionally interfere with play – either actively or passively.

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Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Yep, the same touch judge who had to point out one of the worst high tackles of 2011 performed by none other than D. McGuire as Bentham had somehow ignored it, despite later penalising a slap on the shoulder to end the game. Consistency?'"



icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif Danny McGuire the dreaded enforcer icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

How bitter are you - it wasn't even your team that lost!

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