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32116.jpg when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
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[quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. [/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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[quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: kinleycat "Since you've offered your "thoughts" on NM, i just have one for you on GH.
If NM is passed and we've crossed all of your other obstacles, by the time Cas are in the position to start building GH, IS IT a POSSIBILITY that, what with the economic climate being what it is, the view on the need for two new stadia being built in the district may have changed?
What i am suggesting is that GHs FPP has been passed, but as yet that is based on no other stadia being built in the district at that time of being passed.
Due to NM going to PI, it cannot have been taken into consideration by the planners and should NM then pass the PI it would/could alter the horizon for GH.
So if NM goes through is it a possibility that in fact NM could have a lot more than zero impact on GH than you think.
FWIW i hope we are both in new stadia in plenty of time for the next round of franchises comes around, and someone else cops it or the league remains the same size or grows accordingly.
But we all know/assume, it doesn' work like that.'"
Are you trying to say that NM getting passed would somehow alter the planning permission for GH?
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| No he is asking if it would change things.
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32116.jpg when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'
[quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. [/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: inside man "No he is asking if it would change things.'"
I cant see that it would change things for cas at all, NM has no benefit for cas, NM it has much less earning and crowd potential for cas, so to answer his question no it wouldn't.
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| to clarify:
my question is, IF NM goes through, would it make a difference to the planning needs of the district and therefore Cas, taking into account, GHs FPP was given when no other stadia in the district was taken into account, now that one (NM) is being built?
Does the horizon alter for GH IF NM gets the go ahead, from a planning and economic POV, from within the district and particularly from the planning dept?
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32116.jpg when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'
[quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. [/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: kinleycat "to clarify
Planning for gh has been passed so if 10 50k stadiums were built in a ten mile radius we would still have planning permission.
If you got PP to extend your house and someone built another extension next door the council wont be altering your planning permission.
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32116.jpg when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'
[quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. [/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: pyeman "Planning for gh has been passed so if 10 50k stadiums were built in a ten mile radius we would still have planning permission.
If you got PP to extend your house and someone built another extension next door the council wont be altering your planning permission.'"
If GH got full funding a month before the PI decision do you think it would change the minds of the people deciding the PI.?
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| Won't make any difference right now. The only time it might become an issue is if nothing had happened at GH by the time the current FPP runs out in April 2014 and a renewal had to be submitted. Then it could be reviewed as part of the process.
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| Quote: pyeman "Planning for gh has been passed so if 10 50k stadiums were built in a ten mile radius we would still have planning permission.
If you got PP to extend your house and someone built another extension next door the council wont be altering your planning permission.'"
Don't think i'm clutching at straws, because i'm not.
A few people have posted over time, Fully being one (and the one who my question was aimed at in particular) , that the there IHO is a strong possibility that only one stadium would get built.
IF NM gets the nod, and we will probably find out the answer to that before Cas announce they have a buyer for WR IMO, would the fact that NM wouldn't have been taken into account as an objection to the FPP being granted because of the PI, would that be taken into account retrospectively?
The financial difficulties, and better use for the land from a planning point of view etc, are these all issues that could retrospectively manifest themselves, or is that not possible legaly etc?
I don't know thats why i ask, i do kind of buy into the one ground for the district argument, purely from an economic point of view, but not from a continuation of two teams from the district continuing in SL thing.
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| Quote: pyeman "If GH got full funding a month before the PI decision do you think it would change the minds of the people deciding the PI.?'"
Honest answer, I'd like to think not, but i think it could, on the grounds i have previously mentioned.
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32116.jpg when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'
[quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. [/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: kinleycat " would the fact that NM wouldn' have been taken into account as an objection to the FPP being granted because of the PI, would that be taken into account retrospectively?
The financial difficulties, and better use for the land from a planning point of view etc, are these all issues that could retrospectively manifest themselves, or is that not possible legaly etc?
I don't know thats why i ask, i do kind of buy into the one ground for the district argument, purely from an economic point of view, but not from a continuation of two teams from the district continuing in SL thing.'"
Who would be objecting to GH on these grounds?
Economically it makes far more sense for two grounds to be built, it brings a lot of money into the local economy from external sources (yorkcourt and opus) whats more it guarantees 2 sl clubs in the district which brings a lot of money into the district, not to mention concerts etc which can bring a huge amount of money into the local economy. Economically the district gains a lot from two stadiums being built, the district loses money if two aren't built.
I have never heard of a legal precedent of PP being altered because of another PP being granted.
Don't wtw still have to apply for PP if the PI is favorable too?
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| Quote: pyeman "Who would be objecting to GH on these grounds?
Economically it makes far more sense for two grounds to be built, it brings a lot of money into the local economy from external sources (yorkcourt and opus) whats more it guarantees 2 sl clubs in the district which brings a lot of money into the district, not to mention concerts etc which can bring a huge amount of money into the local economy. Economically the district gains a lot from two stadiums being built, the district loses money if two aren't built.
I have never heard of a legal precedent of PP being altered because of another PP being granted.
Don't wtw still have to apply for PP if the PI is favorable too?'"
AFAIK we still have to secure FPP, which i think following a positive outcome to the PI would be a formality.
Others will know far more about it than me though.
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| Quote: pyeman "Who would be objecting to GH on these grounds?
Economically it makes far more sense for two grounds to be built, it brings a lot of money into the local economy from external sources (yorkcourt and opus) whats more it guarantees 2 sl clubs in the district which brings a lot of money into the district, not to mention concerts etc which can bring a huge amount of money into the local economy. Economically the district gains a lot from two stadiums being built, the district loses money if two aren't built.
I have never heard of a legal precedent of PP being altered because of another PP being granted.
Don't wtw still have to apply for PP if the PI is favorable too?'"
sorry bad choice of word (re objecting), i meant would it make the FPP decision an answer to a now different question, if NM was actually happening, and would that mean the question would have to be re-asked taking into account any new or previous situations, i.e planning and economical?
The planning requirements now may not be the planning requirements then, was there a economical argument then that may now have diminished (or changed completely with if NM gets the go ahead).
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32116.jpg when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'
[quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. [/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: kinleycat "sorry bad choice of word (re objecting), i meant would it make the FPP decision an answer to a now different question, if NM was actually happening, and would that mean the question would have to be re-asked taking into account any new or previous situations, i.e planning and economical?
The planning requirements now may not be the planning requirements then, was there a economical argument then that may now have diminished (or changed completely with if NM gets the go ahead).'"
The answer is is still no there are no factors created by NM being approved that will affect GH at all, whether wakefield got a ground built or not was not a factor in the planning for GH, hope that puts your mind at rest.
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| I should think the future of both clubs will be sorted at the end of March when NM either gets passed or rejected. If it's passed you will have a problem, if it fails we both will. I have kept clear of this debate for nearly a year but I can't see where Cas have moved on one inch in the pat two years. I have no idea whether NM will get the nod but at least the future will be definite one way or the other.
Personally I see no reason for the ludicrous over confidence of the likes of Fully and Cronk any more than I see why Trinity fans feel confident enough to come on here shouting the odds. As it stands we are both in the crapper.
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