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| Quote: Gronk! "Yep, I mean things like a penalty in golden point for a tackle around the shoulders, Watkins dropping his knees on Chase and Jones scoring a try that was given as short (Leeds pulled him back after he grounded it) were all Bentham favouring Cas
That "try" that Jones scored would be the one where he imediately got up and played the ball without even appealing for a try would it? Usually a reasonable indicator that the player was short
Oh and Rangi dived on a ball that Watkins was chasing (good defensive play) - Watkins had no way of avoiding the subsequent collision.
As for McGoldrick - it was a crap attempted tackle after being wrong footed. Not the best way to end an exciting match but at any other point in a game a non controversial penalty (BTW - did you see a single Cas player complain? I didn't again usually a reasonable indicator that the decision is correct)
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| Quote: SHIPLEYGIANT "Boy am I looking forward to the final - Wigan will SMASH Leeds. Sinfield looked truely embarrassed to have won today and so he should. Best Team lost.'"
Totally different game in the final son, it'll be close. Chase should have landed the pressure better with the drop goal attempt, but in the end it was the ice Man Sinfield who showed him how to handle it and that is what semis and finals are all about.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "If he hadn't given that, there would have been a penalty for something, because of the break. Holding down or not square or offside.'"
Leeds knocked on and Cas picked the ball up when he gave the penalty.
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| I'm pretty sure had Mags not just being blind sided by an arm around his face he'd have more than likely kept control of the ball
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| I can't really complain about the penalty on Mcguire by Mcgoldrick, however that sad excuse of a referee missed head high shots by both sides in the regulation 80 minutes.
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| I'm always reluctant to blame referees when we've lost - they do a tough job and I don't believe they intentionally favour one team over the other. However its that old chestnut consistency that frustates us fans.
I often listen to surrounding fans calling the ref after he's given a decision against Cas and think to myself 'he actually got that right' but there were a number of occasions yesterday when I thought - must admit I didn't see owt wrong with that, after Bentham had given a penalty to Leeds. But I'll accept that at some points it was happening 100 yds away from where I was sat and so the ref probably had a better view of it than me.
However, there seemed to be a few of those 50/50 calls where he could have awarded Cas penalties but he opted not to - that was the frustrating thing.
That said, when it happens in the heat of the moment and you only see it once I accept you can misinterpret things so I'm gonna break the habit of a lifetime and re-watch on tv a game that we lost just to see if I was mistaken in my opinions.
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| Quote: bewildered "I'm pretty sure had Mags not just being blind sided by an arm around his face he'd have more than likely kept control of the ball'"
An arm,my word you must have strange looking body appendages.
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| Quote: Cecil B "I'm always reluctant to blame referees when we've lost - they do a tough job and I don't believe they intentionally favour one team over the other. However its that old chestnut consistency that frustates us fans.
I often listen to surrounding fans calling the ref after he's given a decision against Cas and think to myself 'he actually got that right' but there were a number of occasions yesterday when I thought - must admit I didn't see owt wrong with that, after Bentham had given a penalty to Leeds. But I'll accept that at some points it was happening 100 yds away from where I was sat and so the ref probably had a better view of it than me.
However, there seemed to be a few of those 50/50 calls where he could have awarded Cas penalties but he opted not to - that was the frustrating thing.
That said, when it happens in the heat of the moment and you only see it once I accept you can misinterpret things so I'm gonna break the habit of a lifetime and re-watch on tv a game that we lost just to see if I was mistaken in my opinions.'"
For example,Burrow tackled and lifted,horizontal at worst,infact the tacklers "placed" him on the ground,result,penalty Leeds.McGoldrick,tackled,lifted and subsequently dumped on his head,result,play on,conclusion,if the Burrow one was a penalty,please explain to me how the McGoldrick one wasn't.
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| Quote: 007 "For example,Burrow tackled and lifted,horizontal at worst,infact the tacklers "placed" him on the ground,result,penalty Leeds.McGoldrick,tackled,lifted and subsequently dumped on his head,result,play on,conclusion,if the Burrow one was a penalty,please explain to me how the McGoldrick one wasn't.'"
They were two totally different tackles.
The Burrow one saw Ferres stick his hand between Burrow's legs and deliberately up-end him, beyond the horizontal; he knew he had done wrong, he tried to correct his error but it was too late - his face told the story.
McGoldrick went over through a combination of his own momentum in the tackle and subsequent thrashing around like a salmon, either in an attempt to milk a penalty or to get up quickly; the tackling player had very little to do with it.
HTH.
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| Quote: SHIPLEYGIANT "Boy am I looking forward to the final - Wigan will SMASH Leeds. Sinfield looked truely embarrassed to have won today and so he should. Best Team lost.'"
So how bad does that make Cas? I agree that Leeds were awful, but still good enough to beat the Soap Dodgers.
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| Quote: 007 "For example,Burrow tackled and lifted,horizontal at worst,infact the tacklers "placed" him on the ground,result,penalty Leeds.McGoldrick,tackled,lifted and subsequently dumped on his head,result,play on,conclusion,if the Burrow one was a penalty,please explain to me how the McGoldrick one wasn't.'"
You mean the one when McGoldrick flipped over Kylie who was on all fours at the time? It's a little different to deliberately placing the hands between the legs and lifting.
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| Quote: 007 "For example,Burrow tackled and lifted,horizontal at worst,infact the tacklers "placed" him on the ground,result,penalty Leeds.McGoldrick,tackled,lifted and subsequently dumped on his head,result,play on,conclusion,if the Burrow one was a penalty,please explain to me how the McGoldrick one wasn't.'"
As already said, very different situations. That said, I'd probably as soon not see ones like the Burrow one penalised. The rules are clear, so it had to be a penalty, but for me if the tackler realises the error and puts him down nicely, do we really need a penalty? I know it's dangerous, but so are most aspects of the game. In some ways, wouldn't it be good if the tackler was given more incentive to rectify the situation before any harm was done. I seriously doubt that Ferres had any intention of dumping the player on his head/neck.
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| Quote: El Diablo "As already said, very different situations. That said, I'd probably as soon not see ones like the Burrow one penalised. The rules are clear, so it had to be a penalty, but for me if the tackler realises the error and puts him down nicely, do we really need a penalty? I know it's dangerous, but so are most aspects of the game. In some ways, wouldn't it be good if the tackler was given more incentive to rectify the situation before any harm was done. I seriously doubt that Ferres had any intention of dumping the player on his head/neck.'"
I agree,I am not condoning any tackle that puts a player in danger,just more consistency on the way they are managed by match officials.
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| Here we are again talking about a game where an official has had a bearing on the outcome. McDermott said that it didn't make any difference what stage of the game it was, a penalty is a penalty... fair enough.
For all those who still have the match recorded, look at the play the ball when we were putting our selves in position for the drop goal (where Danny Orr runs it in) I think it's the 2nd play the ball after the scrum. See how square the markers are, penalty every day of the week? YES / Is ref going to win the game for Cas in front of the posts? NO / Did the ref bottle what was a blatant penalty decision? YOU BET HE DID. I didn't notice this at first due to the fact the defenders where all rushing about, but I encourage you to watch it and see for yourselves. I have never seen a ref run off the field as quickly in my life. If anyone has got the League Express, there is a picture of Sinfield after he struck the ball.... the ref is already on his bike
Oh and yes....... Am I bitter and is it sour grapes??????? You bet it is.
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| Quote: jungle man "Here we are again talking about a game where an official has had a bearing on the outcome. McDermott said that it didn't make any difference what stage of the game it was, a penalty is a penalty... fair enough.
For all those who still have the match recorded, look at the play the ball when we were putting our selves in position for the drop goal (where Danny Orr runs it in) I think it's the 2nd play the ball after the scrum. See how square the markers are, penalty every day of the week? YES / Is ref going to win the game for Cas in front of the posts? NO / Did the ref bottle what was a blatant penalty decision? YOU BET HE DID. I didn't notice this at first due to the fact the defenders where all rushing about, but I encourage you to watch it and see for yourselves. I have never seen a ref run off the field as quickly in my life. If anyone has got the League Express, there is a picture of Sinfield after he struck the ball.... the ref is already on his bike
Since I'm working at home, I've done as you asked. I see what you're getting at, but with a quick PTB and the tackle noot made at marker, I reckon you won't see them given many weeks of the season to be honest. I suspect if you watch every PTB for both sides in the match you'll find plenty of examples of it not being penalised. I fear, in short, that you're clutching at straws a bit.
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