How so?

If both clubs are still in their current stadia, both not started. Groundwork, one has finance, one doesn't and to achieve that will have to sell land which may take time( planning). One has planning and one has been called in.

Seems similar position to me.

And if the above is the case then will both clubs would be judged on their current stadia as it stands?

Would like to see both built by the way, and yes I'm a wakey fan but think if we both got up and running in new stadiums it would be a massive boost for the area.

100 % right for me

The only tangible difference in the 2 bids is the Admin,

I too would pref both clubs in and both get stadia. But I don't see it happening, what will who knows ??

The problem you experience at the end of Newmarket Lane turning right onto Aberford Road (I assume to go to the M62?) is not a traffic volume problem. The issue you have is wait time due to a major dual carriageway road dominating the junction... basically you can't get out because of the frequency and speed of the traffic and having to deal with a split dual carriageway on Aberford Road, but suspect that you are never in a queue longer than a couple of cars to do that. The good news for you is that your problems will be solved if/when Newmarket is built because this will become a signal controlled junction, and while you will be in a longer queue your wait time will be reduced and you will be using a new very safe junction at a currently high rick junction for right-turning. So no, sorry!

As for traffic at the end of Wheldon Road, it is existing traffic volumes at the round-a-bout that is the problem. The only way to solve this and then therefore better cope with the increased traffic volumes as part of any development on Wheldon Road, is to build a new bridge over the river and re-configure the entire junction to suit the dominant flows at peak. A supermarket is probably going to have very little impact on peak week-day traffic at this junction however, it probably will have a huge impact on weekend days. This is where section 106 agreements are going to come into play!

Yep, they are indeed both in the same boat in respect of new stadia because of the funding relying on the sale option of Wheldon Road, which in turn relies on getting planning for 'retail' on this site. If anything Cas's time-frame is currently more open-ended and until a formal application is lodged then you don't even have any idea of the shortest possible time-frame. Although, I think the best time-frame is the one RW has 'sold' to the fans but you need to understand that this is THE best time-frame... it is only ever going to go back, not forward!

Tedious as it is to go over this whole thing again, I have to ask about the funding position (don't dismiss me straight away... I'm a Cas fan not a troll).

We keep hearing about how the NM build is 'funded' and GH isn't, but to me the position looks exactly the same on both projects.

NM is only fully funded if their plans get approved by central government AND THEN they get full planning permission.

Richard Wright has stated on the club website that the GH build WILL BE fully funded subject to planning permission being granted for the retail outlet on Wheldon Road.

How are the two any different? Neither club has the money to build without their funding partners, and their funding partners won't cough up the dough without a pending planning approval. Neither planning application has a firm date yet.

Thats my thinking. The admin doesn't do wakey any favours but that has been battled through and now the club is sustainable and improved on many fronts.

The admin effectively will give cas a 1 up on wakey but I'm just glad it's resolved and hope the rfl can see the benefit of 2 west Yorkshire teams trying their damndest to improve and seek stadia solutions.

Both are great clubs and can grow to be a force in Sl and the pitential is there.

This is what we are saying. I think we all realise this.

It's just the franchise has created a sour atmosphere between fans and both sets want to believe and argue that one is ahead of the other.

In all seriousness we are both in the same boat

But that isn't what you are saying; you yourself said "one has finance, one doesn't" just a few posts ago.

The reality is that neither currently has finance, but both have the potential to be fully funded, subject to planning approvals.

Wakey's 'fully funded' stadium is a myth. Much as I can't bear the whole stadium debate, nobody can justifiably use funding as a differentiator.

I'm not trying to say we have the funding at hand. I know it is locked and dependant on planni being passed. As is cas's but with respect to wr as opposed to the site of new stadia.

Similar positions.

I don't Know INS and outs and if there is funding for cas's fair enough. But both clubs in one way or another are still at the mercy of planning.

That is a very good assessment. The only point to pick up on is that the Newmarket PI does now have a time-table. The public hearings will be in December 2011, the planning inspector is expected to submit his report to the SoS in Jan/Feb 2012, with a decision from the SoS expected March/April. This could move yes, but is unlikely that it will.

PS. Reserved matters, like the GH reserved matters, would then be a formality for both Newmarket and Wheldon Road (although I heard rumour they were going for a full application on Wheldon Road)

Ehh its funny how these polecat traffic management officiardo's know so much about the volumes around wheldon rd....

lets think back a litlte.... Hicksons.... now how did they exactly move all those chemicals they made, Lets remember how much traffic was there when Wheldale Colliery and Fryston Colliery was in full production, all those pit props, chocks, panza's the list is endless.. they must have appeard by a tardis , and id hate to think of the car movements down there........

Well said Speedy

If only planning & development rules were based about what USED to be there!

BV had high stands at both the South and West sides, yet Wakefield can't build anything to replace them.

And let's not forget that the "green belt" of Newmarket was also a pit!

I agree with your sentiments, but the past makes no difference to the future.

I was having a mess around doing some drawings earlier. I think it would be best if it was definitely a one way system. Looking at Google Maps, you could divert traffic coming from Lock Lane around the back of the Garden House on to Wheldon Road. I know it's currently a car park but I'm sure they could use some of the Arriva Bus depot opposite for spaces for the pub etc.

Make the Wheldon Road Aire St the main road by getting rid of the roundabout. However, instead of traffic going from Aire St onto Wheldon Road via the current way (i.e straight across) also divert this traffic round the back of the Garden House and put a junction on the bridge for cars coming from Lock Lane. This would mean the queues are not where the current roundabout is or Wheldon Rd.

For cars coming from Wheldon Road keep the lane system as it is now for the roundabout (except get rid of the turn right one). Have one going straight on and one for cars going left up Bridge St.

For cars joining the system from Bridge St, as it's one way, they would have to get on to Wheldon Rd they would have to go upto the big roundabout next to Wilkinsons go round and come back on themselves. They'd have a junction as it is now. I appreciate that this may keep traffic on Bridge St, however, it would ensure that traffic leaving and entering Wheldon Rd is frequent. For those people who are coming from Aire St and want to turn right, I would create another roundabout on the edge of the current Wheldon Rd site into the new store.

I'd also get rid of the crossings across Aire St. This is what often creates traffic. Not sure where I'd stick crossings but I'll leave that for someone else to think up.

Could work, ambitious and would need testing but I don't think that's a bad plan really. I do await people picking holes, though.