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| Quote: DAVE@CAS1990 "I have never heard such garbage.
I actually play cricket on the land he is suggesting and.... just..... no.
I cannot even begin to start listing the issues with what has just been said'"
Hi Dave, the thing really is not to see it as it is today, try to imagine what it can be.
It does not have to be at the specific place I mentioned, I wouldn't get too hung up with that. It could be on your cricket pitch of course but it also could be anywhere in this vicinity that has the potential.
Dont look for the barriers, look for the ways to make it happen and importantly how it can rejunenate the area, bring in further investment, and deliver all that is needed to provide 1 of the real hotbed areas of RL in the country back to the forefront of the game where it should be.
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| Everyone seems to have suggestions on mergers but no answers to the problems
If the 3 clubs of WMDC merge, assuming (which is a massive assumption) we get over the hurdle of the name and location to play, we’ll find equally greater hurdles lie ahead.
How many fans do you think will attend? My guess is no more than 5/6k regular.
Will all debt be merged as well as assets (I’m pretty sure assets will be zero)? Debt still needs to be serviced, unless all 3 clubs go into joint admin, get a pre-pack and start a fresh.
Will we have a rich owner wiling to spunk his money on a team and support a probable loss making club? No sign of knight in shining armour wiling to step forward. That means running to a limited budget, not spending up to the full cap.
The way I see it is that you’ll have a club that’s no stronger than what Cas or Wakey are at the moment. The best the club will bring to the competition would be the youth production line for the big boys.
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| Quote: Uppo58 "Hi Dave, the thing really is not to see it as it is today, try to imagine what it can be.
It does not have to be at the specific place I mentioned, I wouldn't get too hung up with that. It could be on your cricket pitch of course but it also could be anywhere in this vicinity that has the potential.
Dont look for the barriers, look for the ways to make it happen and importantly how it can rejunenate the area, bring in further investment, and deliver all that is needed to provide 1 of the real hotbed areas of RL in the country back to the forefront of the game where it should be.'"
who's paying for this then
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| Quote: Uppo58 "Hi Vastman, If ever Leeds/Hull/Wigan/Warrington were in the same position as Wakey/Cas/Fev AND also had clone town teams within 3 or 4 miles of them then I think you would have a point. The fact is they are not. And though Bradford have had a lucky escape, with good managemnt they can easily survive and be profitable with what they have going for them. They were a leading force in SL a short time ago and can be there again. So can you too if you are brave and have the vision to maximise all the potential of your area.
A better example of your "argument" may be in Cumbria at some future time. However they are further away from the debate at present not being in or even in the vicinity of SL like you 3 are. But if they did become 1 team in the futture well of course they could well become a force too. With a new stadium catalyst I could well see a Cumbrian team being forced through to SL a la Widnes.
But alone, like youselves they will struggle to sustain a competitive SL team . Of course Barrow is some 45 miles from the other 2 so a 3 way merger is just not that practical up there.
I can see no hypocracy whatsoever coming rom the Bradford fan. Only hard logic from the outside looking in, on what is an emotive issue on the inside. Good judgement and survival should not be clouded by emotion.'"
Hi,
Don't wish to be rude but that is b*llocks.
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| Quote: vastman "Hi,
Don't wish to be rude but that is b*llocks.'"
Don't you beat about the bush Vasty!
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| I never get this argument
#Point 1: The Calder district is a hotbed of rugby league talent.
Solution: Merge 3 sides into 1
Now, this may just be common sense, if you merge 3 teams into 1, won't you lose a lot of rugby league talent a) out of the area or b) to the game itself?
Cas are leading the way in terms of academy prospects in the Calder area but Wakefield and Fev both bring through their own youngsters on occasions too (Annakin and Trout two recent ones from Fev).
Sorry, but make your mind up.
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| Quote: Fully "I never get this argument
#Point 1Wakefield).
Sorry, but make your mind up.'"
Nearly right mate.
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| FWIW I think Ellis & Westwood are far better players than anything to come out of Cas in the past 15 years.
If 2 clubs died then yes the area would be poorer.
If the 2 satellite town's were in the championship, playing as subservient satellite clubs for the city team, then no I don't think it would.
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| Same diff.
Wakefield/Fev - you got the gist and I'm knackered!
Ellis came out of Cas FYI.
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| Quote: Fully "Same diff.
Wakefield/Fev - you got the gist and I'm knackered!
Ellis came out of Cas FYI.
Lock Lane isn't Castleford Tigers.
He was produced through our system not yours. Something which I still think your bitter over. He'll be coming "home" to you though one day won't he.
Keep believing.
In truth I hope you get your acts together. The derby is too important to both clubs. I do think we're blindly stumbling into a 1996 situation. Get ready to fight for your club. IF (& it's a bloody massive IF) Newmarket is under construction in 12 months time I think our place in the top 10 of SL will be assured & we'll have nothing more to worry about.
As I've always maintained: 1 stadium will happen & as soon as concrete is mixed the blood will drain from the club left behind. Newmarket is & has always been IMO the single biggest threat to Castleford's independence. I think many others have seen this for years too. Yourself included Fully.
Oh & to be balanced to our flat capped friends, Rich Whiting is one of the most consistent players in SL for me. A real hard worker, but backs it up with great strength & versatility. A yard more pace & he'd be GB everyday for me.
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| I never said he played for CT.
You said Ellis was better than anything to come out of Cas.
Ellis was born and raised in Cas, and played in Cas before moving to Wakefield. Therefore, he came out of Cas.
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| Ok Mr parochial & pedantic :
If were going down that road he did, because as we all know your a small town in Wakefield
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| Quote: TrinitarianWF2 "Lock Lane isn't Castleford Tigers.
He was produced through our system not yours. Something which I still think your bitter over. He'll be coming "home" to you though one day won't he.
Keep believing.
In truth I hope you get your acts together. The derby is too important to both clubs. I do think we're blindly stumbling into a 1996 situation. Get ready to fight for your club. IF (& it's a bloody massive IF) Newmarket is under construction in 12 months time I think our place in the top 10 of SL will be assured & we'll have nothing more to worry about.
As I've always maintained
IMO the stadium issue is now nowhere near as critical for license purposes as it is for income generation. We seem to have the bigger problem because we're stuck at WR but does anyone really know how greatly Wakey will benefit from tennancy at NM or whether it will be built before they're again mired in debt.
You're absolutely spot on about Whiting though.
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| Quote: smoking monkey "IMO the stadium issue is now nowhere near as critical for license purposes as it is for income generation. We seem to have the bigger problem because we're stuck at WR but does anyone really know how greatly Wakey will benefit from tennancy at NM or whether it will be built before they're again mired in debt.
You're absolutely spot on about Whiting though.'"
We already are and if we don't get NM soon we won't survive at this level imo.
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| "if Newmarket is under construction in 12 months time I think our place in the top 10 of SL will be assured & we'll have nothing more to worry about".
That is a big IF there Trinitarian. Do you think your attendances will remain constant at NW? I still think it as a massive gamble moving out of the city.
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