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| Quote: MOPSEY LIVES ON "this should of been done when the game went full time, the country had the money at the time to pile into the game. it should of been built in normy and shared by all 3 clubs. the game has changed cas,wakey and fev won stuff with largely local lads who worked part time at the pits and various other jobs. playing was part time so they didnt have to relocate. now if either team has any good players they have to be sold for the clubs to continue,we exist and thats all we do, wel never win anything again baring a miracle. no club can make enough money,the product is poor and crowds are poor.this area cannot sutain 3 teams,at least the locallads could stay with a large local team instead of being cherry picked. feel that this maybe the only way forward to survive.'"
I think the problem at the time, as I said earlier, was that the Superleague was a new venture the last time it was proposed and everyone thought 'their' club would be one to flourish. With a 15+ year history, this is no longer the case and many are prepared to face up to the realities of the situation. I think it's fair to say there is a straight choice between 'your club' and 'successful club' (if you'll pardon the oversimplification). I genuinely think it's only the hope that 'one day it will turn around' that stops the formation of a potentially massive club in this area. I admire that attitude to a degree. By the same token, I really don't think it's very realistic and the choice is more straight forward than that. If the occassional shot at the play-offs with an equal shot at relegation is the limit of your ambitions and you'd support your team no matter which league they played in, then the choice is to stay the same. If you want a club able to compete for honours, be guarenteed a franchise to stay at the highest level and know that the first choice for the players in the area is to stay with the club rather than look for success elsewhere, then a combined club is the obvious answer. It all depends what you want in the end. Many people are already voting with their feet. How long before the choice is no longer there to make?
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| Quote: Gaslight "Because calling the team Castleford or Wakefield will alienate one set of fans, and knowing what fans on here are like for both teams there will be people complaining if the team was Wakefield Tigers or Castleford Wildcats so it would make most sense (IMO) to call the team Trinity Tigers, both teams get their nicknames in and it does sound pretty catchy tbh.'"
Now correct me if im wrong BUT Trinity isnt a nickname they were called Wakefield Trinity, and now Wakefield Trinity Wildcats, the wildcats is their catchy nickname, like ours is tigers..sorry but if its a new start its a new name one that no one side can argue about...................... Calder colts. will do fine.
but lets just hope eh that we are as lucky as the lucky man from luckybridge and stay in SL cant see it myself but stranger things have happened..
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| Quote: rovers "merged teams in this country wouldnt work'"
dont understand that comment
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| Quote: MUTLEY CAT "dont understand that comment'"
I think he means that history would get in the way of a commercial decision. I agree that it would, but disagree that in the long run it would make the merged club stronger, more viable financially and as a bi-product, more competitive.
The Sport is a Business now and you can't base commercial decisions on your uncle albert spinning in his grave.
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| I really don't know why we keep coming back to this old chestnut, we fought long and hard to keep our identities and until our relegation we played our part. All that would happen with a merger is we would lose over half our support, trinity would lose over half their support and the result would be a similar sized club to what we already have, with the loss of two famous clubs who still contribute a great deal to their local communities. Do you think that Castleford schools would continue to dominate schools RL if there was no Castleford club? no way!
There's no reason why both clubs can't still flourish and in fact one reason they do is because of the local rivalry, you might as well say lets merge both Hull clubs, it's well known that KR are struggling with finances, of course FC have been down that road before, haven't they and that didn't work other than to line FC's pockets and get them out of a great big hole!
The divide between Castleford and Wakefield is wider than ever these days, time was when it was the cappers or loiners who were the arch emeny, but I can tell you these days that position is reserved for Wakey these days! I for one would never watch a merged side and I can tell you there are many thousands more who feel the same.
What we need is the RFL to relax the stadium criteria until this recession is well and truly over, then both clubs (and others such as Salford and Bradford) can get on with playing competitive rugby instead of chasing the dream with every bit of cash, ideally we would all like a sugar daddy such as Wire have, but unfortunately they are few and far between.
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| Mergers eh, mmmmmmmmmmmmm Huddersfield / Sheffield mmmmm Gateshead / Hull
Now they really work dont they
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Surely a merged team would be called The Wild Pussies this maintaing a link with both clubs feline monikers.
You would be better served sorting out your own pussies
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "I think we can all see that they were takeovers and not mergers, however, both clubs are now a millions times better off then they were prior to the takeover/merger.
In respect of the thread title, steadygetyerboots-on perhaps has made the most sensible comment I’ve read yet
That million times better is because they both received a £million for merging, when you say both clubs are better off, of course you mean Hull FC and Huddersfield, but where did it leave rugby league in the outposts of Sheffield and Gateshead? on the scrapheap! It was an absolute travesty when that happened and took a couple of £million, no doubt without that money Hull and Huddersfield wouldn't be where they are today, but I'm sure with such a handout the Tigers would also prosper.
I say a big NO to mergers!!!
It's a stupid idea and won't happen, but if you want a merger for Wakey, then you would be better off merging them with Dewsbury and ploughing any money they get from selling their ground into upgrading Dewsbury's tidy little stadium!
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| Quote: Speedy "Mergers eh, mmmmmmmmmmmmm Huddersfield / Sheffield mmmmm Gateshead / Hull'"
Quote: Speedy "I think we can all see that they were takeovers and not mergers, however, both clubs are now a millions times better off then they were prior to the takeover/merger.'"
In fact there were four clubs mentioned. How are the other two getting on since their Super League days?
I'm not in any way convinced that a truly equal merger of two businesses could happen without one becoming dominant and the other subsumed. Hudds/Sheff becomes Hudds.. Hull/Gateshead becomes Hull. With that in mind, entering into a merger means little for the dominant business and death for the other. It happens all the time, not just in sport.
It strikes me that, while both businesses have stengths and weaknesses, Trinity would assume dominance in a merger purely because their name encompasses a larger geographic area. Personally, while I'm not knocking Wakey in any way, it's just not a place name I identify with to any degree. I'm not interested in following a side with Wakefield in it's name, especially when - once the dust has died down - it will likely end up with ONLY Wakefield in it's name, just like the two examples above.
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| Quote: Disco "In fact there were four clubs mentioned. How are the other two getting on since their Super League days?
I'm not in any way convinced that a truly equal merger of two businesses could happen without one becoming dominant and the other subsumed. Hudds/Sheff becomes Hudds.. Hull/Gateshead becomes Hull. With that in mind, entering into a merger means little for the dominant business and death for the other. It happens all the time, not just in sport.
It strikes me that, while both businesses have stengths and weaknesses, Trinity would assume dominance in a merger purely because their name encompasses a larger geographic area. Personally, while I'm not knocking Wakey in any way, it's just not a place name I identify with to any degree. I'm not interested in following a side with Wakefield in it's name, especially when - once the dust has died down - it will likely end up with ONLY Wakefield in it's name, just like the two examples above.'"
There's already an example of something like this Disco, Emley Football Club moved to Wakey's ground a few years ago, after a couple of years there, they changed the clubs name to Wakefield and Emley, then Emley was dropped altogether from the name and it's now Wakefield FC (a new Emley club has since been formed, but of course, this was well down the leagues).
I'm sure we would eventually finish up with Wakefield in the name, if ever this happened to us and I very much like you, don't identify at all with Wakefield, in fact I would go as far as to say I identify more with Leeds than the merry city (as some call it).
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| Indeed both Gateshead and Sheffield were left on the scrap heap, Gateshead however were going bust so chances are they would be were they are now anyway and Sheffield the same. Perhaps right now both clubs are better off then what they would’ve been had they kept going . Sheffield in particular seem to be developing nicely and with the move to Brammell Lane perhaps in time they can bid for a SL license as a much stronger entity.
Any merged club can not have any reference to the existing clubs as per steady’s post. It would alienate any existing supporters open to the idea of a merger. The name and colours would need to be completely neutral. There can be none of the ‘Wakefield-Castleford Miners’ compromises as you say the Castleford name would be dropped eventually which would naturally drive away support from that area.
Calder Miners is an option or instead of Calder perhaps another name which encompasses the area. My only hope that if this situation ever arises I hope it’s done right and not halfd where we end up with a name like West Yorkshire Rage or some other equally horrid Americanised moniker.
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6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
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| [sizebuild one stadium and share it[/size......i don't care who uncle albert supported when he was stuck up a pit donkey after 14 double diamonds.......just make sure BOTH CLUBS survive.
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| Quote: gutterfax "[sizebuild one stadium and share it[/size
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That may end up being the case.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "Indeed both Gateshead and Sheffield were left on the scrap heap, Gateshead however were going bust so chances are they would be were they are now anyway and Sheffield the same. Perhaps right now both clubs are better off then what they would’ve been had they kept going . Sheffield in particular seem to be developing nicely and with the move to Brammell Lane perhaps in time they can bid for a SL license as a much stronger entity.
Any merged club can not have any reference to the existing clubs as per steady’s post. It would alienate any existing supporters open to the idea of a merger. The name and colours would need to be completely neutral. There can be none of the ‘Wakefield-Castleford Miners’ compromises as you say the Castleford name would be dropped eventually which would naturally drive away support from that area.
Calder Miners is an option or instead of Calder perhaps another name which encompasses the area. My only hope that if this situation ever arises I hope it’s done right and not halfd where we end up with a name like West Yorkshire Rage or some other equally horrid Americanised moniker.'"
I think the fact is if the new team didn't have Wakefield in the title people from Wakefield won't be interested and the same for Castleford and to be honest with a name like Calder Miners that would have no meaning for me personally.
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