You're right, it's a terrible indicator.

Your straw poll was of what? People wearing Quins shirts at Wembley?

You know that people don't have to wear their club's colours at events (I don't tend to)? Not withstanding the fact that not all London RL fans support Quins (I don't), or the fact that not everybody buys a replica shirt...

Add to that that you will have seen only a tiny percentage of the people at Wembley that day...


Well the number of Quins players brought through their academy – outstripping most other SL sides, would give ‘physical proof’ to this extremely valid point.


Perhaps you should start using some…


Valid point

Absolutely not the Quins issue.

Perhaps you should contact the RFL for actual facts and figures on the number of London based RL fans that attended the final… that would provide an actual number, rather than your ‘I saw three Cas shirts and one Quins shirt’ straw poll.

Certainly, but I suspect only at the same rate as other SL clubs.


It depends what you’re judging – support for Quins or support for RL in London?

In a family fortunes style survey of 100 London pubs who were asked to put the Superleague on the big screen on a Friday, or the NL1 on Thursday...the most popular answers experienced in our survey were..

1) No...there is some football/any football on, that we'd rather watch. 62%
2) No...what games that then? Is that different from Union then? 15%
3) No...we don't watch that in here. 14%
4) Of course I can mate, it's a right game 9%

These are peoples typical experiences that are expressed in previous posts.

Can you provide me/us with a link to this survey?

kthxbai

In regards to not wearing their shirts at the big community games, why not? The wearing of the shirt is for pride and support of the club that you support. Are Londoners they not proud to be Quinns supporters or supporters of their amateur club?

In the small section that I saw for 3 hours on Wembly Way before and 2 hours after the game I saw thousands proud supporters of the game in their shirts. I saw dozens school teams, junior teams, amateur teams from the Midlands, Cleveland, Cumbria, Yorkshire and Lancashire.....plus maybe a dozen from Catalan and 2 scorpions and 1 Celtic etc.

So why not for Londoners? Is this part of the illusive Londoners code of conduct....you must remain unseen, unquantifyable and in disguise at all times? Again it just doesn't add up!

In regards to the number of players coming through the Quinns academy in some ways it's a different process to that of other Superleague clubs.

As an example not even at Superleague level, areas like Oldham and surrounding villages there are dozens of junior and amateur teams from the age of about 6 years old. Each of which produce dozens of players who progress to either adult amateur, NL1 and NL2 teams and Superleague each year. Including famous names like Sculthorpe, Sinfield, Barry Mac and many more. However, because they generaly stay within reach of the area players end up playing for a whole host of teams at different levels from the east to west coasts.

I suspect at Quins that those within the academy can only progress to the Quinns first team, a few playing out of the area and the rest perhaps changing code or leaving the game. Hence in a way if they are a good but perhaps not great player they are almost guaranteed a spot in the first team line up when they come of age.

Otherwise who would you regard as being the junior and amateur feeder clubs for the Quinns? Of those you mention that have come through the academy...what was their junior and amateur clubs?

The answer is so simple , get rid of the quins , crusaders and Richard Lewis, bring back promotion and relegation and stop groundsharing with soccer clubs............... there all the games problems solved in one fell swoop

Faith restored by the greater supporters of the game....crowds growing at the grounds rather than the armchair! Job done, great post!!!

WTF? I don't wear a Cas shirt to work, nor on a weekend, nor when I'm out shopping. That doesn't mean I'm not proud of being a Cas fan... I probably won't wear it when I go to the Grand Final either... that doesn't mean I've got any qualms with people knowing I'm a Cas fan



I have no idea because I don't have the time or inclination to find out. To name two, Tony Clubb and LMS both were born in the south east, so I would assume they plied their trade locally.

Ok at work it may or may not be appropriate wear, shopping..who knows maybe, or maybe not. However, as I said why not wear the shirt with pride at these events 'rugby league' events?

It's a bit odd that 'all' the London club supporters decided not to, yet tens of thousands of other fans decided from every club nameable decided to.

Giving them the benefit of doubt and lets say that 2 or 3% of those present on Saturday were supporters of London based clubs, junior-amateur-professional etc, as it would be more convenient for them than any other supporter to attend. Yet, many saw nothing of them. Why were they so invisible at the event?

So let me get it straight....a) we only see a few of the London rugby supporters at their ground....or B) none at any of our grounds....or C) hidden at major rugby league events, d) They don't wear their shirts in public. They are well disguised aren't they!! some might even question if they actually exist, and are more theoretical! How will I know if I ever see one in the flesh?

My question about the feeder clubs for Quinns is very valid. The game starts at the grass roots with volunteers, mums, dads, kids and dirty kits twice a week. If that isn't there, neither are the foundations from which to build in the London area.

After reading this 'argument', there is only one responsehttp://0.thumbs.4chan.org/s/thumb/1282758661592s.jpg" >

Just because its the 21st century doesnt mean we have to sacrifice integrity for some idiotic expansion idea from a man who prefers tennis to our game

wake up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cannot make my mind up if Gazemous is taking the or not ? names two players from darn south ? what about scotland ? same distance theres more scotish playing the game than cockneys and no team up there get a grip ! bullter !

If you think the answer to any big Rugby League problem is [isimple[/i then the odds are you have a simple mind. Even as an expansionist, I wouldn't say that the answer to our problems is [isimply[/i expansion. Let's analyse this ingenious plan of yours.

1) [iStop ground sharing with soccer clubs.[/i

Presumably this would involve Halifax, Hull FC, Huddersfield Giants, Wigan Warriors etc all vacating their 21st century stadiums to go....where exactly? Play on a park field? Build a new stadium? Well we can see how building a new one is working out with Cas and Wakey, turns out it's pretty hard to get your own stadium built. I should imagine it's even harder to secure funding for such a venture when your already playing in a very good stadium.

2) [iKick Crusaders and Quins to the curb, regardless of whether they go bankrupt or manage to find new owners. [/i

Sky use this as leverage to cut our TV Contract, all our junior work in the South East goes down the toilet, and the good people of Wrexham who have given Crusaders a larger fan base than Salford despite only being in the town less than a year stop watching the game. Oh and if the TV contract did get cut the RFL might just decide to reduce the size of Super league to 12 or 10 teams, which would surely see Cas or Wakey get kicked out anyway. Then again you would probably fail to see the reasoning behind that and put it down to a vast conspiracy by the RFL to destroy the game from within.

1)If it levels the playing field up a bit , then yes, make them fund a new stadium instead of bleating about clubs who are trying their dammndest to do so.
Soccer lodgers out

2) How many 'new' owners must the rfl finance, and to not believe that i this is going on is niaevety at its most obvious, Fact is , some hardworking club that is managing to keep its head above water (just) is going to be dumped for this farcical london 30 year experiment, as for sky , I emailed them and recieved an answer that the superleague package is not reliant on the member clubs, another myth destroyed

Time to close the money pit

All you are doing is coming up with reasons why quims should stay in, Do you really think anyone will let their club be relegated for the sake of some so called expansion clubs, if you do you are smoking some illegal substance or giving it some in a glue bag. Expansion yes but not at the expense of my club, no way. You keep on about Sky dropping revenue if you are not in, Where is your proof of this, ? How did you get to this reasoning ? show me where Sky have said this, show me where the RFL or Sky say it will be a lesser team competition, Ill not hold my breath though.

Another point what you fail to take into account is the value of away support, Where is your support for away games ? Clubs rely on this revenue, as do your's so the rest of the SL clubs have to factor in that when your in town, they have to rely on the home support revenue alone, where as your club rubs there hands at traveling support income. How can this be sustained ?

Why do you resort to calling an individual names because they don't agree with you. Come back with a reasoned approach and you might get what your looking for, but if you really think Cas supporters will scream foul if your dumped then you are definitely smoking something, likewise i wouldn't expect you to give one about Cas if we get dumped,