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| Quote: TrinitarianWF2 "If I knew BOTH clubs could stay in SL playing separately there's no way I'd entertain the idea of sharing.
However if your franchise was in danger, which if the RFL followed the letter of the law it probably will be should you have 0 movement on GH/WR (all hypothetical), I'd be more than happy for you to share either temporarily or on a full time basis.
The idea of Doncaster is laughable, WR to Keepmoat is 26.3 miles, WR to NM is 4.7 miles. That's before we mention that moving out of your city isn't seen in a positive light. We asked to play games at Oakwell (9.2 miles from BV) & were flatly told by the RFL that this was impractical. How many fans would go for that? What chance of catching passing fans? Even if you picked up some from Doncaster how many would travel when you eventually moved home? On an ethical level I would appose this, it would be a step too near the NFL for me, with franchises being picked up & moved at will. 23.6 miles you must have a dyslexic tas van
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| Whether the community stadium is a non profitable company or not it will still take plenty of money to keep it going and if funds dont reach the break even mark either the council will have to make up the short fall or the club renting the facility will have to make it up and that means a price hike, but if two SL clubs did share and both paid an equal amount and straight away the stadium goes from 13 home games to 26 that would mean the rent being less, and both clubs might prosper, for me its just down the M62 to the next junction, although i would prefer our own home the two big clubs at ever side of the common would be debt free and have a new start it just needs both sets of fans & club owners to swallow their pride, & put an agreement together that a merger would not be ever on the cards, the only thing what would ever stop a stadium share is Pride
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| Quote: browney "If Milan and inter Milan can do it why can't Cas and Wakie?'"
The Milan clubs sharing makes sense for them. I read an article about it years ago there is no particular divide of the city ie north & south, east & west ,districts etc (though the ultras of Inter tend to be more right wing politically, AC Milan left wing).
It seems people follow one or the other through family lines, passed down from grandparents,parents and so on.
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| Quote: frank5613 "it just needs both sets of fans & club owners to swallow their pride'"
As far as I recall, the option for Castleford to take up a tenancy at NM has always been available; I say take up a tenancy rather than share, because it isn't ours in the first place.
It was probably Richard Wright who put a spanner in the works, by trying to influence the planning decision against the development, with his ill-conceived letter to the inspector - if I recally correctly, he suggested that there was no need for the facility, as WTW could share at GH. (The inspector noted in his report that they couldn't, because there was nothing there to share.)
All of that said, if Steve Ferres has a change of heart, I shouldn't imagine that the Trust BoD would hold Tricky Dicky's actions against CT.
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| The 2 milan clubs share a stadium in milan.
Put cas at NM and you are taking rugby league out of castleford.
Is that what we want.
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| Quote: deeHell "The £2m that Cas were after should all go to the community trust. At the end of the day their the ones building the facilities for the whole community to use.'"
No they are not and they never were. At the end of the day the stadium development progress is now in the hands of an "entertainment" company based in the midlands.
Who knows? it may happen in a few months time or whenever.
There should be no reason (at this moment in time) for the council to claw back the promised £2m from Cas.
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| Quote: Fully "No, I know this because the entire BoD were at the meeting at the Civic Centre where SF said he hadn't looked at it and it wasn't an option as far as he was concerned.'"
Well i would have thought any forward thinking open minded board would have looked at ALL options, even if only to discount them.
Still if thats that they have told you it'll be the truth.
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| if GH is dead and a re-furb of the jungle not affordable, then it would be in the best interest of both clubs to make sure at least one ground gets constructed, we all know agreements and promises have been made, but we also know how easy it is for promises to be broken, neither club as anything except a peace of paper, hopefully no hiccups will accrue, the fans can debate it until we are blue in the face, but at the end of the day we dont have a say in the matters except as a fan, we need two strong SL clubs, so we can keep all the young talent from are area, instead of the big clubs making them think that their grass is greener, in my eyes RW left Cas fans with a bad taste in their mouth under his tenancy, but SF seems to be totally different, if you ask him a question he gives you a answer, RW, always went round the gardens to take you up the garden path
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| Quote: bigalf "No they are not and they never were. At the end of the day the stadium development progress is now in the hands of an "entertainment" company based in the midlands.'"
Explain further? Also would this be anything out of the ordinary?
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| Quote: poppys mum "The 2 milan clubs share a stadium in milan.
Put cas at NM and you are taking rugby league out of castleford.
Is that what we want.'"
In theory were taking rugby out of the City. Is it not in your means as a club to compromise? Ideally we would have wanted a ground near the City but it's just not viable.....sometimes you have to give a bit.
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| Quote: bigalf "No they are not and they never were. At the end of the day the stadium development progress is now in the hands of an "entertainment" company based in the midlands.
Who knows? it may happen in a few months time or whenever.
There should be no reason (at this moment in time) for the council to claw back the promised £2m from Cas.'"
The stadium element may have had investment but it's still fundamentally tied to the rest of the development via the 106. One element (stadium/development) cannot exist without the other & as soon as the stadium is constructed it will be passed into the control of the community trust. This was all trashed out in the PI & following months & is documented & signed off in the 106. By gov, council, developer & bank of Scotland.
So other than investment into the scheme, which isn't anything other than a positive, this is of little relevance to the community trust, WTW & any other tenants. When the stadium is going to be transferred once constructed it makes little difference who paid for it, this is between Yorkcourt & their investors. As we all know the stadium is just a sweetener to the local community.
If you think Yorkcourt have done all this to mothball it your deluded. They will cross fund the development, which is what you describe (sell off the lions % in the stadium in exchange for a profit share in the total), but this shows how developments like this are funded.
One element can't be built without the other. You know all this Alf, you practically sleep with transcripts of the PI & a copy of the 106. Merry new year old pal
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| Quote: deeHell "Explain further? Also would this be anything out of the ordinary?'"
Yorkcourt have sold 66% of the stadium element to a entertainment company based in the Midlands.
Cross funding happens all the time & is how companies raise the capital for large scale developments. The Shipley Brothers will now become partners in the development.
For their investment in providing the stadium element they will take a share in the profits from the total development.
As I said in the post above, it makes not difference for us, other than showing us how quickly YC have begun in finding the funds to build the stadium, the quicker they do that (along with partners buying elements/plots of the industrial development)the quicker the whole thing gets built & YC get paid.
This is how developments are funded, why did this never happen at J32? Because that never got out of the hanger, let alone off the runway.
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| Quote: Fully "Because the rent is likely going to be more expense than owning our own stadium? As you said in the post above, the owners will have to make money some how to pay the bills and also any upkeep too. Therefore, the money they get in from rent also has to be worthwhile.
I've no idea how much we spend on maintenance of WR per season but I'd hazard a guess that it isn't as much as it would be in paying rent?'"
you've lost me there feller, shouldn't all businesses be looking to make a profit or is it wise to over spend like Cas has done last season.
so would your ideals be to keep putting a lick of paint on the railings and point up the terrace
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| Quote: snowie "
Someone from the Wakey forum stated the other week that the Community Trust will only ever seek to break even. My point was that they will be seeking to make a profit/increase money because all monies will have to be reinvested in for upkeep and for any unexpected bills.
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