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| Quote: jools "Haha- absolutely no way will they get away with that one! Tomkins got a fee of 700k and was "performing well" for years, not just a season or two-he will have been earning one of the highest wages in SL at the time. Sale will just point to the fact that Denny was previously playing in the lower leagues and Castleford clearly didn't rate solomona very highly as a player as he was earning just 60k rising to 70k, a much lower wage than many "top" SL players so therefore shouldnt command anything like that size of transfer fee.
They need to hit them for losses and keep the transfer fee realistic.'"
The difference with Tomkins and Solomona is that Solomona is already "proving" his worth to Union, whereas Tomkins was a "bigger" gamble.
On that basis, surely, his value must be increasing.
I really hope that Sale are taken to the cleaners on this one.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "The difference with Tomkins and Solomona is that Solomona is already "proving" his worth to Union, whereas Tomkins was a "bigger" gamble.
On that basis, surely, his value must be increasing.
I really hope that Sale are taken to the cleaners on this one.'"
It doesn't matter what his value is now- it matters what his value was then.
Sale will argue that Cas paid him lower wages than other players and so must have valued him lower than other players and the transfer fee asked by Cas should realistically reflect that.
If Cas are paying Hardaker similar wages then they could argue that the transfer fee should be similar.
Also Cas haven't had to pay a transfer fee to Leeds as he is on loan so Sale will try to use that to argue the losses Cas claim they have as a result of having to replace Denny.
It stinks but that's how I see it going.
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42181_1527427546.jpg "I'm sorry, but I would hope that we would beat Cas with a 1 day turnaround."
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| Quote: jools "Haha- absolutely no way will they get away with that one! Tomkins got a fee of 700k and was "performing well" for years, not just a season or two-he will have been earning one of the highest wages in SL at the time. Sale will just point to the fact that Denny was previously playing in the lower leagues and Castleford clearly didn't rate solomona very highly as a player as he was earning just 60k rising to 70k, a much lower wage than many "top" SL players so therefore shouldnt command anything like that size of transfer fee.
They need to hit them for losses and keep the transfer fee realistic.'"
Solomona never played in the "lower leagues". Also for a winger, that salary probably isn't too bad. Plus he agreed to the bloody contract ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote: Towns88 "Solomona never played in the "lower leagues". Also for a winger, that salary probably isn't too bad. Plus he agreed to the bloody contract
Sorry -Didn't make it clear- I meant lower in NRL compared to Tomkins which was the transfer fee I compared to.
Indeed he did agree to the contract, and if he was a decent guy he would have seen out his final year then moved on as charnley did. I'm not at all condoning how he's gone about this- but I think that Sale will try the tack I described to reduce the amount they will have to pay.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "I suggst we get the police to arrest everyone at the RFU on trumped up bollox and put them in the cells for a while as a show of force, isn't that how you do things...
i really hope Sale get burned and that the RFL put out a statement in the national press to say what a bunch of crunts the RFU are for okaying this.'"
Fantastic idea! Get on it! Let's hear your plan?
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| Quote: Tigerade "Yeah - I wonder if this legal team advised Sale to to put a bid in for 200K and then, after it was turned down, put another offer in for only 50K ? Great idea.
I'll tell you what I recon. The "best legal advice possible" advised Sale Sharks that little old Cas Tigers will buckle and won't take you on in court.'"
Absolutely! I mean lowering your offer is exactly the hallmark of someone who is worried.
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42181_1527427546.jpg "I'm sorry, but I would hope that we would beat Cas with a 1 day turnaround."
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| Quote: jools "Sorry -Didn't make it clear- I meant lower in NRL compared to Tomkins which was the transfer fee I compared to.
Indeed he did agree to the contract, and if he was a decent guy he would have seen out his final year then moved on as charnley did. I'm not at all condoning how he's gone about this- but I think that Sale will try the tack I described to reduce the amount they will have to pay.'"
Another 2 years with an increasing salary each year. Plus he owed about 8 grand the club lent him. That said , Ryan mcgoldrick lent the club money back when things were grim !
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| Quote: Towns88 "Another 2 years with an increasing salary each year. Plus he owed about 8 grand the club lent him. That said , Ryan mcgoldrick lent the club money back when things were grim !'"
I should think he did!
It shouldn't have been a loan though, more of a gift, due to a guilty conscious for getting payed more than the club could afford.
Hope it gets sorted soon, I can't see it personally, unless they settle out of court.
Imagine if Cas were to get a decent payout say, half a million, Steve Gill would be like a little kid being given a tenner to spend on spice (sorry sweets) I still drop into the old ways from time to time.
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| Quote: The Devil's Advocate "I should think he did!
It shouldn't have been a loan though, more of a gift, due to a guilty conscious for getting payed more than the club could afford.
Hope it gets sorted soon, I can't see it personally, unless they settle out of court.
Imagine if Cas were to get a decent payout say, half a million, Steve Gill would be like a little kid being given a tenner to spend on spice (sorry sweets) I still drop into the old ways from time to time.'"
I think you'll find "spice" is very modern...
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| Quote: Lebron James "I really can't see this ending well for castleford. Sale sharks are an international brand, recognised the world over and they wouldn't want to damage that if they thought what they were doing was wrong. They would have sought the best legal advice possible so they must be pretty happy they will get off with it. You only need to check their website to see how professional they are. Compare it to castlefords which looks like the work experience lad made with Microsoft front page to see the difference between the 2 clubs. Cas just need to bite the bullet and ensure next time they unearth a gem, pay him what he asks for which by the way, wasn't unreasonable.
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I actually think Castleford site is far better.
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| Quote: Gallanteer "I see Phil Clarke has crawled out from under his rock with comments about the rule changes.
I didn't think much of him before, and although he's not rssponsible for his brother's actions as Solamona's agent, I have even more reason to dislike him.
How can Sky possibly keep this guy as an SL expert/pundit, when hiis family has possibly caused massive damage to the sport of RL? If nothing else, it makes us look even more of a joke than the wider media already thinks of us.'"
Don't you be letting Phil Clarke off the hook on this one. He is a director and shareholder of the company. I have no idea whether he has any involvement in the day-to-day running of it, but I bet he won't balk at banking his dividends and director salary. His silence on this issue has been remarkable and his is a face I don't want to see on Sky this season.
If he does one of those Twitter things, make every question about Solomona.
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| Some more interesting comments from Diamond yesterday"They openly said we'd made them an offer which was substantially more than what Warrington Wolves had offered them and they rejected that," added Diamond.
It seems he is arguing that because Sale's offer was substantially more than Warrington's, Castleford were compelled to accept it.
"We feel vindicated by what we have done as we signed a player after he resigned and they'd sacked him.
This plays into Castleford's hands. It's an admission that Solomona resigned and wasn't dismissed (though I'm not quite sure how Solomona resigned and was also sacked!). His resignation was a breach of his fixed-term contract, which is exactly what Castleford are claiming.
Sale may have signed Solomona after he left Castleford, but the accusation is that he was induced to breach his contract by Sale and Clarke. It's not about when he [isigned[/i for Sale, but whether he knew he would be employed there before he did so and this was the primary reason for breaching his contract at Castleford. The evidence of him at Sale's training complex and the Sale vehicle on his drive prior to his resignation suggests he did.
"Castleford's claim is 10 times what he was earning. Maybe they should have thought of that and paid him what he is worth one would suggest."
Diamond clearly doesn't understand that a player's transfer value is not the remaining value of his contract.
Solomona was happy to sign a new contract just before the 2016 season, so he clearly did think he was being paid what he was worth. I doubt he was coerced into signing a new deal. In fact he said"...we signed a player after he resigned and they'd sacked him".
What he doesn't defend is Castleford's claim against Solomona. Are Sale now simply 'looking after number one' and trying to make sure they don't get stung as a club? Are they trying to let Solomona take the bullet? I think they may well be...
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "Don't you be letting Phil Clarke off the hook on this one. He is a director and shareholder of the company. I have no idea whether he has any involvement in the day-to-day running of it, but I bet he won't balk at banking his dividends and director salary. His silence on this issue has been remarkable and his is a face I don't want to see on Sky this season.
If he does one of those Twitter things, make every question about Solomona.'"
Let's not stop at Phil Clarke. Let's get a witch hunt going for the companies secretary, PA, cleaner and the guy that delivers their milk. After all, they've had just as much involvement in this as Phil Clarke has
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| Quote: Lebron James "Let's not stop at Phil Clarke. Let's get a witch hunt going for the companies secretary, PA, cleaner and the guy that delivers their milk. After all, they've had just as much involvement in this as Phil Clarke has
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And you know that how?
Also, the PA, the company secretary, the cleaner and the milkman are not bosses. As a director and shareholder, Clarke is. It's also called corporate responsibility, and hypocrisy given his status within the media side of the game. He has a direct financial stake in the success of the Solomona deal, which is different to that of an employee.
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| It worries me that it seems so obviously in Cas's favour.
Sale obviously feel they have a case and I wander whether our eagerness to see Rugby League win the day is clouding the issue.
We don't know what notice periods or clauses are in the contract. We don't know whether the judge in the tribunal will say that Solomona can simply buy his contract out at his wage value.
It hinges on whether the decision is that Sale encouraged him to break his contract. That will be tough to prove. Sale will have a top legal team. I hope Cas do.
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