Well said that man, the RFL are playing Russian Roulette with two clubs that are trying their bloody hardest to go forward. They are are not helping by actually forcing these clubs in to spending both time and money on defending their positions when they could be putting that time and effort into working on their plans for new stadia.

The sooner that both sets of fans wake up and smell the bloody coffee the better... this is not about Cas v Wakey, it should be about Cas and Wakey v the RFL!

I think the ground issue on both sides as been done to death by both sets of fans and it getting really boring! there is nothing any of us can do about it, both sets of fans need to grow up and form some sort of action group hell bent on keeping both clubs in SL or we risk at least 10 to 15,000 people being lost to the game.

According to a friend of a friends uncle Dave's, sisters, brothers pet rabbit it doesnt matter if FULL planning permission takes 5 years as long as Outline PP goes through the funds will be given to CT from Opus. The reason the council were a bit cagey about it all is that Opus have many different tenders for the project and cover a wide range of different sizes and plans and different impacts on the area. They were basically too vague at this point as to what was actually going to be put on the site.

Once outline PP is granted full PP will follow relatively quickly. But it is thought that it will be at least 3 years before any decision either will be reached on outline PP when you consider the high likelihood of it going to the secretary of state if it is attempted to be rushed through. Thats if the council let it get that far, they were less than impressed with the idea at present i'm afraid and theres a lot of work to do to come up with a plan that is acceptable to all parties. Sadly these things don't take five minutes and Opus are in know rush as it is not costing them anything to sit on a deal for a while. If fact with land prices showing no sign of significantly rising in the short term then it would be in their interest to develop the land further down the line. I think it will be developed at some point but it won't be in the near future.

Well put Baz, it's obvious from his many postings that IA is well and truly anti Cas, why would he try to stir things up about the Wheldon Road development if that wasn't his position?
This sleight of hand by IA, trying to shift the focus from the wildcats financial demise with his third or fourth hand, fly on the wall revelations and suppositions are nothing short of scandalous. If this man was pro Cas, then why on earth would he come on here with such utterings? it's obvious that he has go into bed with the wildcats and will do all he can to try to derail our license application and try to put a positive spin on anything and everything the wildcats do? Fortunately the RFL are not stupid enough to be swayed by such tittle tattle and the Castleford Tigers application will be judged on its merits, as will that of the wildcats.
You've shown your hand once again IA and your trolling is not welcome here, as you say you live near NM so concentrate your efforts on that site and keep out of our business!

Can't disagree with any of that mate, spot on! This will get the nod eventually, it is just going to take much longer that RW is currently prepared to reveal... for obvious reason and I don't blame him to some extent.

You are not getting this at all are you!!!

I am really trying to help the fans of both clubs understand why they need to join together to fight the RFL not each other. You just stay in that bubble of yours and ignore this then and take the risk that Savills report will not uncover this and throw some major spanners into your SL application, just as big, if not bigger than Newmarket has done with Wakefield.

You will also clearly not be interested in knowing and think I am making things up when a friend and fellow industry professional has told me this morning that they (and many others) have been asked to and will be submitting (actually, it might have already have gone back, not sure) a fee proposal for one of the consulting packages for the planning application design work. They have been asked to submit their fee proposals for an approx 65,000 sq ft retail (not total area, just retail space) plus associated storage, service yard and car parking for a superstore and possible PFS on the WR site.

OR... am just making this up???

That is what they showed the planning officers and the planning officers have issues. Simple as!

This will happen in some form or other, I am sure, but not for quite a while yet... WAKE UP people or just keep taking the ostrich approach and put your heads in the sands... it might work and get you a license... or it might not!

Welcome to our world.

Some of them are maybe getting this now... but it would appear many are not bren2K!

It is easier to slag me off and than realise that this is about helping them wake up to the actual situation! Oh well!

Despite what you might think IA you are not the only person who uses the forum who has letters after their name, is a proffesional or holds a position high up the managerial chain.

Having read through all of your extremely long winded posts on what you supposedly know as a fact about a prelimanry meeting to discuss Cas's new outline planning application, which by your own admission you didnt actually attend, I could write a long and detailed counter argument, but I think it would be far simpler and painless all round to simply................

..........call you a to**er.

Solutions have to be found and problems need to be overcome. Opus know their stuff and wouldn't be investing time and money if the project was a non starter.

I'm hopeful we'll be safe for a franchise this time purely because Wakefield ended up in a financial mess at the worst time. They'd be little to choose between the clubs if that hadn't happened.

If it's not sorted for next time then I've no doubts at all that we'll be goners.

Debate - Yes.

Snipe and witter - No. And that includes trading insults and squabbling.

The topic is a valid one - if you all keep it that way...

This is not the ostrich approach IA, how are your ramblings helping Castleford?
This isn't Cas & Wakey v the RFL and never will be, the RFL have clearly stated that ONE team will drop out of Superleague and be replaced by Widnes, whether that be Wakey, Cas, Crusaders or whoever, no ganging together will sway the RFL, unless it is the other clubs that ALL get together, but that's not going to happen, they are not going to vote to receive less Sky money are they?
I believe the development of Wheldon Road is a great idea and ticks so many boxes and delivers so much to the town and to the area as a whole, with absolutely no cost to the council, who seem to prefer to splash the cash the way of the city of Wakefield and I don't just mean helping with funding the wildcats planning for the NM project, but the new but horrific looking Hepworth Gallery and the new shopping centre, it does seem that the town of Castleford hasn't had much in the way of support from the council in recent years, so it's about time that changed and making sure the Wheldon Road project gets the green light should be top of the councils agenda!
If you are so confident the RFL will listen IA, why not come up with something positive rather than your usual negativity about anything Tigers?

Someone over on t'other forum made a good point, why has the council wasted 30 odd million on an art gallery that to be perfectly honest, will hardly bring folk in will it when for that money they could have built stadiums (well, contributed significantly to) for Cas, Wakefield AND Featherstone securing the futures of some of the biggest companies in the district and helping 2 towns and a city to build better economies.